Biden 2020

[Lachlan]

Dez, living is a human right. If it wasn't, murder would be legal. Healthcare is part of making sure that you stay alive. You should be guaranteed good care no matter how much money you have. Wait, let me guess, you are upper-middle class?

stupid logic

lets expand on it shall we

you should be locked up for scaring someone and they have a heart attack
all foods considered sweets need banned because some folks get diabetes and other serious illnesses from it
you should be locked up if you make someone angry because high blood pressure is a killer
all restuarants need closed because they can create weight issues for some
you should be locked up for sex because stds are real
schools should be eradicated they spread germs
you should be locked up for driving vehicles because they are killers

i could make this list literally go forever
the truth is you have the right to choose how you live which will have a direct impact on how you die
you dont have the constitutional right to living beyond your limit nor is it everyone elses duty to fight the death of your choosing
living means breathing and you will do that until you dont

my belief is if there were free healthcare it should be just for the elderly
why?
because most of them have put plenty into the system and should see some of it back
but if you are having children you cant afford and expect the gov to feed clothe and maintain their health for 18 years
you have drained the system and deserve nothing later or now all because you cant use birth control or self control

but at your age you want pampered lmao stfu get a job go get the things you want like a car a house and then work on family making when you are stable

and kim wills right i am the one your teachers told you about i dont care about any feeling based rhetoric and will hand out micro agressions until i am bored of laughing

huh?

[William one eye]

I think his point is, the more a government provides health care for everone and the better that health care is, the more they need to control the cost of that health care.

So healthy living choices begin to become government mandate instead of choices, to help control costs.

Other things that happen.
Limits on how many children you have.
Pallative care versus over intervention treatments.
Wait lists for treatments.
Mass treatment in Wards
Quick care. IE here are some painkillers/anti inflamatories, now go home.


Highest skilled doctors and nurses may move to countries
Where they can get higher pay if they are not sentimental about their native country.



In Australias medicare system which i think is rated fairly good
For a public health system.
If you are relatively heathly, as your salary increases there should be a cost vs risk point
Where it becomes more cost effective to use private care rather than pax the taxes. So it would make sense to opt out and become exempt from the tax. Even if the quality of public care is decent.

[William one eye]

I'm not saying that we should be babysat and just laze around. Why does everyone think I mean that? I would never laze around and not work or do stuff in my life. I mean sure I could do that but it gets a bit boring after a while

So basically my point of veiw on age.

You should be a burden of the government until the point at which your country recognizes you as a legal voting age.
If you work before you reach voting age you are infact paying taxes without representation. By no means do i suggest someone laze around, but until you are afforded the right to vote for your own well being you should be provided for if need be.

[Lachlan]

I'm not saying that we should be babysat and just laze around. Why does everyone think I mean that? I would never laze around and not work or do stuff in my life. I mean sure I could do that but it gets a bit boring after a while

So basically my point of veiw on age.

You should be a burden of the government until the point at which your country recognizes you as a legal voting age.
If you work before you reach voting age you are infact paying taxes without representation. By no means do i suggest someone laze around, but until you are afforded the right to vote for your own well being you should be provided for if need be.

ah right

[Leo]

Kim, I think that you are making pretty naive arguments. I mean you act like the US should base everything off of Australia, like Australia is some sorta dream land. Australia's government is extremely flawed, and much more conservative than the US's government. And I see that you have pretty moderately left ideals, so you either aren't doing your research or are just blowing past it.

While most of you are right, people should make their own choices that affect their health, and that's their responsibility, many people in poverty (most) do not have access to all the "health foods", and therefor can't really control how healthy they are via food intake. Most would be happy to eat anything at all, and won't think "McDonald's? Nah, have you seen the stuff they put in this?" When I say I want universal healthcare, it's not because I don't want to pay for it, or I think that people shouldn't have to pay for it, but because I want people who can't afford good healthcare to still get good coverage as they deserve.

By the way, I have also saved up all my money since I was about 4, and it's finally paying off as I just bought a sweet new mountain bike

[Dmanwuzhere]

Kim, I think that you are making pretty naive arguments. I mean you act like the US should base everything off of Australia, like Australia is some sorta dream land. Australia's government is extremely flawed, and much more conservative than the US's government. And I see that you have pretty moderately left ideals, so you either aren't doing your research or are just blowing past it.

While most of you are right, people should make their own choices that affect their health, and that's their responsibility, many people in poverty (most) do not have access to all the "health foods", and therefor can't really control how healthy they are via food intake. Most would be happy to eat anything at all, and won't think "McDonald's? Nah, have you seen the stuff they put in this?" When I say I want universal healthcare, it's not because I don't want to pay for it, or I think that people shouldn't have to pay for it, but because I want people who can't afford good healthcare to still get good coverage as they deserve.

By the way, I have also saved up all my money since I was about 4, and it's finally paying off as I just bought a sweet new mountain bike

kim is naive because he wants to base the us model on australia
then how naive is it to base the us model on socialist/communist ideals from other countries that have failed

additionally nutritious meals are cheaper than mcdonalds
but seeing as how you rely on mom to fix your meals i understand your baseless argument

a bag of rice and a bag of pinto beans with the sides you can afford be it fresh or canned leave most fast food places in the dirt
additionally a large pot of beans can make a variety of dishes for several meals although beans and cornbread is my favorite
but who can refuse refried beans, chili or the multitude of dishes that pinto beans provide

so please since you do not do the shopping or the cooking take the advice you gave kim do a little research so you dont look so naive lol

[The Lamb]

Kim, I think that you are making pretty naive arguments. I mean you act like the US should base everything off of Australia, like Australia is some sorta dream land. Australia's government is extremely flawed, and much more conservative than the US's government. And I see that you have pretty moderately left ideals, so you either aren't doing your research or are just blowing past it.

While most of you are right, people should make their own choices that affect their health, and that's their responsibility, many people in poverty (most) do not have access to all the "health foods", and therefor can't really control how healthy they are via food intake. Most would be happy to eat anything at all, and won't think "McDonald's? Nah, have you seen the stuff they put in this?" When I say I want universal healthcare, it's not because I don't want to pay for it, or I think that people shouldn't have to pay for it, but because I want people who can't afford good healthcare to still get good coverage as they deserve.

By the way, I have also saved up all my money since I was about 4, and it's finally paying off as I just bought a sweet new mountain bike

Dman, im sure he is getting his info from Supersize me or some Micheal Moore flusher

And here is the worst indirect racism there is in my opinion. The patronizing kind. You know the kind, you hear that blacks and the poor cant get ID's to vote, dont have transportation to go to the DMV, dont have the internet, dont have access to healthy food.

So when i was younger, my mother and I were pretty poor and on food stamps. We had a car and there are always places to get healthy food but some just may need to hop a bus, go for a drive (in the case of "food deserts") and cook for their families. Its about choices my friend. My mom and i went without alot of the luxuries and she sacrificed to ensure that I had healthy food.

Blue, is there any place in your vision of America that peoples situations are not blamed on others or their social class? What I mean is, when do you feel that peoples own decisions and attitudes dictate their quality of lives and not.

Oh and you do know that a hospital cannot turn away a medial emergency, even if they cant pay right?

[Argo]

Not sure how your health system works over there...
Will-
I looked it up
Australias health care system.
If its so good why do more that 50% of the population
Opt out and use private health care.

I have had hospital treatment, stays, services for quite a few years when I battled cancer - I was in the public health system. I had the best specialists and surgeons available. Not only did I have a private room (prob bc I had a tanny at one point) but between operations and during treatment, the public health system provided me with a flat next to Ronald McDonald House, 100 yards from the hospital where I would go everyday for dressings, radiation, cleanings, etc. None of it cost me a cent.

I paid my taxes when I worked and I even paid tax out of the benefits I was on the couple of times I received govt help when without work and when I got 'single with kids' - $3-5k pa. I paid health insurance for 12 years without using it. @72k roughly- I was happy to take my chances without it.

When I paid for health care insurance...I never needed it and never made a claim. I decided it was a waste of money -

Kym-https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/medicare

'Medicare is Australia’s universal health insurance scheme. It guarantees all Australians (and some overseas visitors) access to a wide range of health and hospital services at low or no cost.'

I have no complaints with our health system. Doesn't mean others haven't been so lucky.

[Lachlan]

Kim, I think that you are making pretty naive arguments. I mean you act like the US should base everything off of Australia, like Australia is some sorta dream land. Australia's government is extremely flawed, and much more conservative than the US's government. And I see that you have pretty moderately left ideals, so you either aren't doing your research or are just blowing past it.

While most of you are right, people should make their own choices that affect their health, and that's their responsibility, many people in poverty (most) do not have access to all the "health foods", and therefor can't really control how healthy they are via food intake. Most would be happy to eat anything at all, and won't think "McDonald's? Nah, have you seen the stuff they put in this?" When I say I want universal healthcare, it's not because I don't want to pay for it, or I think that people shouldn't have to pay for it, but because I want people who can't afford good healthcare to still get good coverage as they deserve.

By the way, I have also saved up all my money since I was about 4, and it's finally paying off as I just bought a sweet new mountain bike

I never said to base everything of Australia lol. I said take the best ideas from that and then implement them

[Lachlan]

Kim, I think that you are making pretty naive arguments. I mean you act like the US should base everything off of Australia, like Australia is some sorta dream land. Australia's government is extremely flawed, and much more conservative than the US's government. And I see that you have pretty moderately left ideals, so you either aren't doing your research or are just blowing past it.

While most of you are right, people should make their own choices that affect their health, and that's their responsibility, many people in poverty (most) do not have access to all the "health foods", and therefor can't really control how healthy they are via food intake. Most would be happy to eat anything at all, and won't think "McDonald's? Nah, have you seen the stuff they put in this?" When I say I want universal healthcare, it's not because I don't want to pay for it, or I think that people shouldn't have to pay for it, but because I want people who can't afford good healthcare to still get good coverage as they deserve.

By the way, I have also saved up all my money since I was about 4, and it's finally paying off as I just bought a sweet new mountain bike

kim is naive because he wants to base the us model on australia
then how naive is it to base the us model on socialist/communist ideals from other countries that have failed

additionally nutritious meals are cheaper than mcdonalds
but seeing as how you rely on mom to fix your meals i understand your baseless argument

a bag of rice and a bag of pinto beans with the sides you can afford be it fresh or canned leave most fast food places in the dirt
additionally a large pot of beans can make a variety of dishes for several meals although beans and cornbread is my favorite
but who can refuse refried beans, chili or the multitude of dishes that pinto beans provide

so please since you do not do the shopping or the cooking take the advice you gave kim do a little research so you dont look so naive lol

how has it failed?