TRUMP 2020!

[Lachlan]

How are guns tools? They are made to kill or injure someone or something. I get that you might need 2 or 3 like one for hunting and one for personal defence but I mean people with 5 or 10 guns (just for 1 person, not the entire family). I also partially agree with Blue, communists aren't trying to take over your country. No country is fully democratic or communist. For example free healthcare is a socialist/ communist idea. Most first world countries have that except you guys. (which btw I still don't understand why you have no free healthcare)

Ever hear of firing ranges? Some folks might like to shoot guns for fun. Just like some folks like to do archery for fun. And yes, guns are tools. Just because their purpose is to kill or injure does not magically make them something else. All a weapon is is a tool used for hurting and killing or hunting. Swords are tools. Knives are tools. They can also be weapons to kill.

And once again, most gun crime is done with guns that are obtained illegally. And if a person who is responsible for their guns and does not misuse them has multiple guns that's perfectly fine. Doesn't matter WHY they have them. My dad kept 3 guns chained up and unloaded mounted on a wall in a bedroom when I was growing up. He kept no ammo in the house, and he chained those suckers up really well, with a heavy lock. He no longer went hunting but he wanted to keep them. Why should he be forced to get rid of them? It does no harm for someone to own guns.

The people who want to go and kill people, will find a way, no matter what. I mean, hell, arson, driving people down in a car, home made bombs, poisoning food at a public event, there are SO many ways a person could do to do a massacre. Hell, ever hear of that man who literally built a tank in his garage? I think it was called killdozer or something. Bloody miracle that he only wanted to wreck some buildings and not actually kill folks.

Humans are clever and adaptable. Guns are already difficult to get in the US. Not impossible mind you, but not as easy as you think it is. That doesn't change the fact that folks can get them illegally, or use alternative methods. Seriously you act like harder gun laws would fix all the killings, they won't. People will just adapt. Or keep using illegally obtained guns.

Edit-The best way to try to get rid of homicides and massacres is to remove the motive. Look at why something happens and try to get rid of that. Because getting rid of how they do a crime is more or less pointless. Too many ways honestly. Give better education, enforce strict anti-bully policies, maybe have folks who monitor student's mental and emotional health etc. Most folks don't just decide on a whim to go and kill a bunch of folks. Usually something pushes them to a breaking point and they snap.

That being said, some folks are just crazy so there will always be some folks who hurt and kill, but better monitoring of student's well being could help catch them ahead of time.

apart from going to a shooting range how is a gun a tool? You can't cook with it, can't cut things with it, you can make holes with it though but why shoot a gun to make a hole in something. I agree taking away guns will not solve much and targeting the motive is much more effective but how is a gun a tool? A gun is a weapon and used to kill or injure something. It isn't multi purpose like a knife or a machete. In hunting you kill or injure something. A gun being a tool is the strangest thing I have ever heard. It is not a tool. It is a weapon whatever you do with it. A bow is also a weapon but the sword you could argue it isn't I guess

[The Lamb]

A knife has a single purpose, to cut. What you cut it with is up to you. An axe, to chop and whether its to cut a tree or use as a mid evil battle ax, its still just made to chop. Both are tools.

A gun, is made to shoot a projectile. What you shoot is up to you. you can affix a knife and make it cut, you can use it as a hammer, you could start a fire with it, you could eat with it but your food would taste like shit lol.

Def of a Tool : a device or implement, especially one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

Its a tool, if you sit a shotgun on your porch and walk away, it will not kill anyone or anything lol

[Meliva]

Exactly like Draque said. All a weapon is is a tool who's purpose is generally to hurt or kill another living being. So it's a tool. Just because you might not like what it's main purpose is, doesn't change it's definition.

Also, just because it isn't multi-purpose, doesn't change that either. Not all tools have multiple purposes. A screw driver, makes for a poor hammer. A hammer, is a poor tool for painting. A paint brush is pretty worthless in putting in screws.

[Lachlan]

so what every day task can a gun do then?

[The Lamb]

I bet if you do paint by hammer, you could be the next Georges Seurat, just make sure its a big canvas

[The Lamb]

so what every day task can a gun do then?

I used to live in Alaska, want me to answer that? Just because some dont see a use for putty trowel doesnt mean its not a valuable tool to others.

I think your missing the point, it need not have an "Everyday" use to be a tool. I dont use my ax everyday, still a tool.

[Lachlan]

Exactly like Draque said. All a weapon is is a tool who's purpose is generally to hurt or kill another living being. So it's a tool. Just because you might not like what it's main purpose is, doesn't change it's definition.

Also, just because it isn't multi-purpose, doesn't change that either. Not all tools have multiple purposes. A screw driver, makes for a poor hammer. A hammer, is a poor tool for painting. A paint brush is pretty worthless in putting in screws.

yes but screwdriver and paint brushes aren't designed to kill. A gun can't do anything except shoot something

[Meliva]

Exactly like Draque said. All a weapon is is a tool who's purpose is generally to hurt or kill another living being. So it's a tool. Just because you might not like what it's main purpose is, doesn't change it's definition.

Also, just because it isn't multi-purpose, doesn't change that either. Not all tools have multiple purposes. A screw driver, makes for a poor hammer. A hammer, is a poor tool for painting. A paint brush is pretty worthless in putting in screws.

yes but screwdriver and paint brushes aren't designed to kill. A gun can't do anything except shoot something

And why does a gun being used for killing other living beings make it not a tool? It's LITERALLY a tool made to shoot things. Again, just because YOU don't like what the tool's purpose is, doesn't magically make it not a tool. This is basic definitions mate,

[Meliva]

Not to mention after thinking about it a bit, guns are used for other purposes. Paint ball guns and squirt guns for playing with, nail guns for construction, those are non lethal versions of guns that serve other purposes.

So even IF we went by your asinine logic, they are still tools with multiple purposes.

[Lachlan]

Exactly like Draque said. All a weapon is is a tool who's purpose is generally to hurt or kill another living being. So it's a tool. Just because you might not like what it's main purpose is, doesn't change it's definition.

Also, just because it isn't multi-purpose, doesn't change that either. Not all tools have multiple purposes. A screw driver, makes for a poor hammer. A hammer, is a poor tool for painting. A paint brush is pretty worthless in putting in screws.

yes but screwdriver and paint brushes aren't designed to kill. A gun can't do anything except shoot something

And why does a gun being used for killing other living beings make it not a tool? It's LITERALLY a tool made to shoot things. Again, just because YOU don't like what the tool's purpose is, doesn't magically make it not a tool. This is basic definitions mate,

How? A 'tool' mean't to kill would be a weapon. A bomb is not a tool it's a weapon made to kill. So are you saying a weapon made to kill is a tool? I've never heard anyone call a weapon or a gun a tool. Are you saying atomic bombs are tools too since they kill people and destroy things?