TRUMP 2020!

[Leo the Conqueror]

They were actually quite peaceful as I've heard but the information isn't quite clear. I believe the gate thing is a myth. And the protesters were on the street and sidewalk, which is not their property.

But after all, isn't people abusing their second amendment right in order to stop people from exercising their first amendment right what this country is all about?

Anyway, what they did is considered terrorism by the government, which is why I said that they were capitalizing off of a crime.

[Meliva]

They were actually quite peaceful as I've heard but the information isn't quite clear. I believe the gate thing is a myth. And the protesters were on the street and sidewalk, which is not their property.

But after all, isn't people abusing their second amendment right in order to stop people from exercising their first amendment right what this country is all about?

Anyway, what they did is considered terrorism by the government, which is why I said that they were capitalizing off of a crime.

I honestly can not believe just how hypocritical you are. You literally condone rioting, burning down buildings and other terrorist acts if it's for a movement and cause you agree and believe in, seemingly ignoring the fact that many innocent people have died, lives being ruined and other horrible things, yet a couple who simply pointed a gun-again just pointed it, didn't even fire a warning shot, let alone actually shoot anyone, and you want to call what they did terrorism.

I truly wish you were just messing around and trolling, because I just can't fathom how any sane rational adult, could have such asinine logic like that. Sadly looking at how people act, I know that isn't the case, No wonder if a god or gods exist they don't directly interact with humanity.

[William one eye]

I looked it up, the protestors broke down the gate.
And were on their property. The sidewalk is part of the property as is some add sort of historic street that is actually part of the private property.

If a mob of protestors breaks through my fence
And is wandering around my yard I would certainly arm myself and insist they get off my property.

It really would not matter if i agreed with or disagreed with the cause.

[Mack]

I looked it up, the protestors broke down the gate.
And were on their property. The sidewalk is part of the property as is some add sort of historic street that is actually part of the private property.

If a mob of protestors breaks through my fence
And is wandering around my yard I would certainly arm myself and insist they get off my property.

It really would not matter if i agreed with or disagreed with the cause.

i second that

[Lachlan]

Let me just say that the US is broken right now, you guys have a serious race problem with white supremacy and black lives matter which are opposites and democrats on one side and republicans on another and as far as I know no program to close the income and school completion gap like in Australia. Doing a bit of research I found a program by Obama called Equity of opportunity but this seems much smaller and less widespread than Australia's own program called close the gap program. Admittedly it's not perfect but since I am learning about it in school right now I found out that I think 3 or 4 targets are on track out of 12 in closing the gap and a few are just a little behind their target. What America needs is this. At the moment your african american community and your white community is a bit divided and you have more white supremacists than in Australia. A program like this will help ease tensions by providing these African Americans with a better opportunity and eventually an equal opportunity to have an income that is the same as your average American, more of them will be educated resulting in less gangs and be more willing to talk it out instead of being violent and looting and a better lifestyle. I mean really even if it is only done over one generation it will have a huge effect because that one generation has enough money and stable income to be able to provide their kids with decent education.

About guns I get you want guns to protect yourself but for fucks sake why the actual hell do you need a sniper rifle or a machine gun or even a assault rifle. It doesn't take a high powered shot to kill someone or ten shots from a machine gun to kill someone or injure someone to drive them off. It only takes a few accurate bullets to kill and even if a dude gets shot in the leg once they aren't going to stick around and try and break into your home or kill you they are going to run away. The only reason why you would need such guns is if a person on drugs attacks you or a bear attacks you but in the suburbs it's unlikely there will be a bear to shoot.

As for rioting and shootings both sides need to stop and negotiate instead of being a bunch of idiots because both sides will just escalate unless they talk it out.

Anyway I thought I should put all this out here, as for who I would vote for I would vote for neither Biden nor Trump because don't you guys think possibly a younger candidate should get considered because younger people tend to initiate change

[Meliva]

Let me just say that the US is broken right now, you guys have a serious race problem with white supremacy and black lives matter which are opposites and democrats on one side and republicans on another and as far as I know no program to close the income and school completion gap like in Australia. Doing a bit of research I found a program by Obama called Equity of opportunity but this seems much smaller and less widespread than Australia's own program called close the gap program. Admittedly it's not perfect but since I am learning about it in school right now I found out that I think 3 or 4 targets are on track out of 12 in closing the gap and a few are just a little behind their target. What America needs is this. At the moment your african american community and your white community is a bit divided and you have more white supremacists than in Australia. A program like this will help ease tensions by providing these African Americans with a better opportunity and eventually an equal opportunity to have an income that is the same as your average American, more of them will be educated resulting in less gangs and be more willing to talk it out instead of being violent and looting and a better lifestyle. I mean really even if it is only done over one generation it will have a huge effect because that one generation has enough money and stable income to be able to provide their kids with decent education.

About guns I get you want guns to protect yourself but for fucks sake why the actual hell do you need a sniper rifle or a machine gun or even a assault rifle. It doesn't take a high powered shot to kill someone or ten shots from a machine gun to kill someone or injure someone to drive them off. It only takes a few accurate bullets to kill and even if a dude gets shot in the leg once they aren't going to stick around and try and break into your home or kill you they are going to run away. The only reason why you would need such guns is if a person on drugs attacks you or a bear attacks you but in the suburbs it's unlikely there will be a bear to shoot.

As for rioting and shootings both sides need to stop and negotiate instead of being a bunch of idiots because both sides will just escalate unless they talk it out.

Anyway I thought I should put all this out here, as for who I would vote for I would vote for neither Biden nor Trump because don't you guys think possibly a younger candidate should get considered because younger people tend to initiate change

Considering how many more people there are in America then Australia, seems rather pointless to point out we have more racists. I also find it rather naive that you think a program is all that is needed to help bridge the gap and it would help solve so many problems. Most folks HAVE the opportunity and chances to make something of themselves. Sometimes folks just don't want to take it, sometimes because it's too much work, or they feel like it's too much work. Some people are also just content being thieves and criminals, or living off welfare or government assistance. Ultimately, you can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves.

Now there are certainly things we can improve, I think one of the biggest areas that needs the most improvement is education system. As for guns, most gun crimes are done with illegally obtained guns in the first place, and as for massacres, as I've said to many people over the years, humans are clever and adaptable. If a person decides they want to kill a bunch of people, doesn't matter if they do or do not have guns, they can find a way. Hell, what's to stop someone from waiting until a event where a lot of people gather outside, then drive them down in a truck? Should we ban trucks and other large vehicles? What if people start taking alcohol, and make makeshift Molotov's to burn down nursing homes? Do we ban alcohol?

There is ultimately not much that can be done from stopping someone if they decide to kill a bunch of people. Instead of trying to stop massacres by removing the method, try to remove the motive. Sometimes people shoot up schools due to bullying, or being mistreated. So be polite and respectful to others. Teach any kids you have the same. There will still be killings, some folks are just messed in the head sadly, but bullying is a major issue that can lead to massacres.

Also, as for the riots, anyone who goes out to cause damage and destroy things needs to be arrested and tried in court. I don't agree with the folks who go out to fight the rioters either, but I am more supportive of them as they are trying to stop idiots from wrecking cities. I fully agree with anyone who arms themselves to defend themselves, family and property.

As for the candidate issue, trump is doing fine in my opinion. Biden is a puppet and has dementia. Also, change isn't always good. Older people often have more wisdom and experience and know how things work better. They can be stuck in their ways, but that isn't always a bad thing. Ultimately, age is a bit meaningless. Some old folks are idiots with no knowledge or wisdom but are fine with change, while some young folks are stuck in their ways but smart and clever.

[Lachlan]

Let me just say that the US is broken right now, you guys have a serious race problem with white supremacy and black lives matter which are opposites and democrats on one side and republicans on another and as far as I know no program to close the income and school completion gap like in Australia. Doing a bit of research I found a program by Obama called Equity of opportunity but this seems much smaller and less widespread than Australia's own program called close the gap program. Admittedly it's not perfect but since I am learning about it in school right now I found out that I think 3 or 4 targets are on track out of 12 in closing the gap and a few are just a little behind their target. What America needs is this. At the moment your african american community and your white community is a bit divided and you have more white supremacists than in Australia. A program like this will help ease tensions by providing these African Americans with a better opportunity and eventually an equal opportunity to have an income that is the same as your average American, more of them will be educated resulting in less gangs and be more willing to talk it out instead of being violent and looting and a better lifestyle. I mean really even if it is only done over one generation it will have a huge effect because that one generation has enough money and stable income to be able to provide their kids with decent education.

About guns I get you want guns to protect yourself but for fucks sake why the actual hell do you need a sniper rifle or a machine gun or even a assault rifle. It doesn't take a high powered shot to kill someone or ten shots from a machine gun to kill someone or injure someone to drive them off. It only takes a few accurate bullets to kill and even if a dude gets shot in the leg once they aren't going to stick around and try and break into your home or kill you they are going to run away. The only reason why you would need such guns is if a person on drugs attacks you or a bear attacks you but in the suburbs it's unlikely there will be a bear to shoot.

As for rioting and shootings both sides need to stop and negotiate instead of being a bunch of idiots because both sides will just escalate unless they talk it out.

Anyway I thought I should put all this out here, as for who I would vote for I would vote for neither Biden nor Trump because don't you guys think possibly a younger candidate should get considered because younger people tend to initiate change

Considering how many more people there are in America then Australia, seems rather pointless to point out we have more racists. I also find it rather naive that you think a program is all that is needed to help bridge the gap and it would help solve so many problems. Most folks HAVE the opportunity and chances to make something of themselves. Sometimes folks just don't want to take it, sometimes because it's too much work, or they feel like it's too much work. Some people are also just content being thieves and criminals, or living off welfare or government assistance. Ultimately, you can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves.

Now there are certainly things we can improve, I think one of the biggest areas that needs the most improvement is education system. As for guns, most gun crimes are done with illegally obtained guns in the first place, and as for massacres, as I've said to many people over the years, humans are clever and adaptable. If a person decides they want to kill a bunch of people, doesn't matter if they do or do not have guns, they can find a way. Hell, what's to stop someone from waiting until a event where a lot of people gather outside, then drive them down in a truck? Should we ban trucks and other large vehicles? What if people start taking alcohol, and make makeshift Molotov's to burn down nursing homes? Do we ban alcohol?

There is ultimately not much that can be done from stopping someone if they decide to kill a bunch of people. Instead of trying to stop massacres by removing the method, try to remove the motive. Sometimes people shoot up schools due to bullying, or being mistreated. So be polite and respectful to others. Teach any kids you have the same. There will still be killings, some folks are just messed in the head sadly, but bullying is a major issue that can lead to massacres.

Also, as for the riots, anyone who goes out to cause damage and destroy things needs to be arrested and tried in court. I don't agree with the folks who go out to fight the rioters either, but I am more supportive of them as they are trying to stop idiots from wrecking cities. I fully agree with anyone who arms themselves to defend themselves, family and property.

As for the candidate issue, trump is doing fine in my opinion. Biden is a puppet and has dementia. Also, change isn't always good. Older people often have more wisdom and experience and know how things work better. They can be stuck in their ways, but that isn't always a bad thing. Ultimately, age is a bit meaningless. Some old folks are idiots with no knowledge or wisdom but are fine with change, while some young folks are stuck in their ways but smart and clever.

I'm aware that there are less people in Australia. I agree that I may be naive because I'm a young guy but doing that improves their chances of not doing things like rioting. Education makes people think and due to better educations things like rioting and becoming a criminal are less likely, I never said it would stop it. As for shootings the problem is Americans have easy access to guns. In Australia we haven't had a mass shooting for a bit. In America it happens every week. If you flick on the news for a week I daresay that over 95 percent of mass shooting stories will come from America. I'm not saying ban guns but make it a little harder to get, do background checks like does this persons family hate african americans, do they hate muslims etc. Banning isn't a solution and I didn't say ban all guns but especially guns you don't need like sniper rifles, machine guns, rocket launcher etc. As for you saying it's pointless to point out about racists let me explain: I also said in America it seems like there is more extreme right wing or left wing views and less moderate left or right views. People with more moderate views tend to be less lets go kill people and riot. I also said that America has had a race problem for a long time. I'm pretty sure America is just as Multicultural as Australia yet we have less divisive race issues. Most of the arguement about race in Australia is that we aren't rolling out programs like close the gap as fast as we could whilst in America there is no such thing. These programs from my understanding make it easier for people to go hey actually maybe I will complete school and teach it in a way that it fits in and is useful to their culture. Another thing is your healthcare like why do you people have bad healthcare? I mean almost all firstworld countries have free healthcare except for you guys, I mean why has no one done something about that lol. I also disagree that Trump is doing fine, your amount of cases is atrocious, Australia took lockdown seriously and have had less deaths (due to population advantage) but also we took lockdown seriously but then we stuffed up because everyone was so relieved getting out of quarantine our cases went up. Some people are saying this is because of American law that your lockdown was ineffective so in that case why not change that? Also about trump kinda cringy he got his family to speak I mean of course his family is going to say good things lol

[Mack]

i dont think its lack of opportunity, i think its lack of effort, thats the problem. no amount of help will make these wanna be thugs want to work, green blue yellow or red color dont matter

so how about that covid we would all be dead right now if it wernt for those maskes eh. when they come out with a vaccine be sure to get it, bill gates promises its safe for all of humanity to take and urges please everyone line up for your shot to save us all do your part. lmao

i want to thank those big hero mask copanies for thier $20 boxes of paper masks for your shot to save us all do your part. lmao

almost everything in our culture tells tells the young people to be a drug dealing thug, but that has nothing to do with how people act does it

[William one eye]

Assault rifles are not legal
Machine guns are not legal.


These are not the same thing as semi automatic rifles, that may look similar to assault rifles. They may even be the same model as an assault rifle but manfactured differently for civilian use.

AR is the brand name Armalite. It does not stand for assualt rifle.

The AR 15 does not fire a .50 bmg round as some anti gun folk would like people to belive. It fires a standard size rifle round
Bmg stands for Browning machine gun.

A bump stock is useless unless you either want to shoot unaimed bullets out at random, or are highly skilled in tactical gun usage.

In most cases if you want to use a weapon
For defensive or offensive purposes. Compentent use and management of your amunition, will be a lot more effective than wasting ammo with a fully automatic weapon.


And any high quality hunting rifle with a high magnification scope is a sniper rifle.

I think m82 .50 caliber rifles may be legal in some states.
These fire the .50 caliber bmg round
The bmg round designed for tripod or vehical mounted use.

The m82 is a personal rifle designed to be used with a bipod or tripod. The recoil will hopsitalize the shooter when they fire it if they are not trained in how to fire it.

[Meliva]

We do have background checks. Again, in case you didn't know, many gun crimes are committed with guns that were acquired ILLEGALLY. No amount of more laws will help those cases, because again, they are not being acquired legally in the first place. Look at Chicago. It has some of the most restrictions in getting guns, yet some of the highest gun crimes.

Getting a gun legally is not as easy as you think it is in America. Don't just blindly believe what anti-gun folks say. Most of them have no clue what they are talking about. Hell most of them don't even know what guns are what. Just look as what Will said. Automatic guns are not as deadly as you may think. A person who has no experience would most likely just spray a hundred bullets in under a minute, run out of ammo and then be caught. If anything semi-autos are deadlier. It helps inexperienced folks from blasting through all their ammo on a few targets.