TRUMP 2020!

[The Lamb]

LMAO!!!! What great movie

[Lachlan]

He isn't doing a good job with the Corona virus, the US has got so many coronavirus cases and restrictions and rules in states varies, if he copied Australia (which is where I live) he would probably at least half the amount of people that got coronavirus. He want's to deploy the US army to stop the riots which will make it worse and make the protesters more violent. Sure he doesn't have complete control of what is happening with the coronavirus but he needs to standardize how the US responds to it because right now the response is kinda ineffective and also deploying the army to stop the riots is a bit too far I feel. The US economy is also weakening because of the high amount of cases among other things and the Aussie ecomony is gaining on the US economy even though it was already pre weakened by the bush fires

To compare how other countries did something vs how the USA did something is a bad comparison, especially considering how the USA is setup.

This is where an understanding of how the US Constitution and the authorities of the Federal Government vs States Governments comes into play. Unless explicitly granted to the Federal Government, all other authorities belong to the States. COVID-19 while a "national emergency" did not incapacitate the state governments, so the President while having some authority would have committed political suicide and a potential Constitutional Crisis if he attempted to overrule the States. The President acted correctly and took actions that were consistent with the purview of the Federal Government to include travel restrictions, monetary support for the States, utilization of the Defense Production Act, etc. The economy taking a hit was not the Presidents fault or a result of his actions.

As far as the riots, the Federal Government and specifically the President is more than authorized to use the military. Rioting is not protected by the 1st Amendment. Rioting and more specifically Occupied/Autonomous Zones can prevent the enforcement of Federal Law. This is covered under the Insurrection Act of 1807. If the states fail to, refuse to, or just can't act, the President is authorized to use Federal Troops (military) to stop any insurrections, rebellions, or civil disobedience. An example of the Presidents ability and use of this Act to use federal troops was during the desegregation of schools in the USA back during the 1950s. State politicians refused to comply to court-ordered desegregation and the President sent in the military to make them comply.

I don't think it is a bad comparison, Australia has been much stricter and the overall response more coordinated. Us Aussies were way more serious about the lockdown and were pretty good except for panic buying toilet paper which I don't get. He is trying to reopen the economy though and correct me if I am wrong but they did not do full international travel restrictions or national travel restrictions between states. He didn't close the economy like Australia did. We closed our economy and our economy has not dropped much so far. The US has not closed their economy and it has dropped much more significantly. Yes I know he can authorize the military but it is a bit much for protests and a few riots. America still has a pretty serious race problem which they need to fix and in some cases poorly trained police officers. Instead of sending in the military which will promote more violence America as a whole needs to fix these problems and retrain these police officers to not use force as a first thing and as a last resort if their life is at risk. I'm not saying it's Trumps fault because that hasn't been a recent problem and has been going on for a long time. He's also saying really stupid things like injecting hand sanitizer and things like that. To be honest wish Obama was still President because I feel like he cold have handled it better.

[Mack]

i hate the media... this is not going to be a new normal stop trying scare people.. and idk about the rest of the people but i will not be given any vaccine!

no i will not be sprayed with disinfectant to be at any event its not that serious of a virus its less so than the normal influenza we have every year in which the only time in my life i took a flu shot was in the army..

[Lachlan]

i hate the media... this is not going to be a new normal stop trying scare people.. and idk about the rest of the people but i will not be given any vaccine!

no i will not be sprayed with disinfectant to be at any event its not that serious of a virus its less so than the normal influenza we have every year in which the only time in my life i took a flu shot was in the army..

you say it is not that bad but what you don't understand is that on average it has 5.2 percent death rate and even though that does not sound like much it would mean millions could potentially die if people are not careful whilst previous viruses have not even gone past about 250,000 cases in total (not just deaths). It might almost be as bad as the spanish flu except we know how to deal with that kind of stuff now. It might not be infecting as much but that is because it is nowhere near ending. A vaccine will help kill the virus very fast once it is rolled out because of herd immunity. You might not want to be vaccinated but the majority of people will. As for disinfectant not sure what your problem is with disinfectant, better safe than sorry as the saying goes. I understand people don't like needles and getting stuff injected in them but not using a bit of disinfectant, washing hands, using hand sanitiser etc I don't see the logic behind not doing that. And as a final point I'm sure the cases are a bit higher than 9 million. I would expect actual all cases being at at least 11 million which is quite a bit compared to other recent viruses/diseases

[Kangaroo]

Want less cases?
Test less people!

Dude is on crack

you obviously dont get what he means there..


we by far have tested way more people than anyone else, so there for our numbers on paper are way higher, simple logic.

what that means is, think about china for a second and their high population.. .. now if they tested the same % of their pooulation we can only assume at this point what the real numbers are.. ..


on top of that those people are infected if you test them or not and everyone still has low mortality rate compared to the influenza so whats the pandimic about

You're right, I definiitely don't get what he means, because not only did he state it, he then double down and confirmed he meant it as a means of case control.

Australia has tested at virtually the same rate per 1000 of population.

If you don't care that the actions and inactions of your administration, led by the best and most popular president in the history of the world, has resulted in countless avoidable illness and death then you may the one illinformed.

Part of it is the healthcare system we have here, something that can't happen in the US due to the billions of $$$ incested in lobbyists by your HC corporations and big pharma, and that's a shame, because it works.

You don't have to allow your corporations to act like a bunch of cunts to be a succesful capitalism based democracy.

The stats above are no pissing competition, just highlighting what good government and responsible corporate watchdogs can do.
The US has has 24 times the cases of Australia per 1000 population
And a criminal, literally criminal, 92 times the deaths per 1000 population.

With almost exactly the same test rate..

[sXs]

So to summarize

1. Country more split than ever
2. Allies alienated
3. Enemies having fun
4. Impeding investigation and other crimes both locally and globally
5. 87% of his fact are lies
6. Violation of the first amendment by attacking the media as a sitting president.

And many many more.[/quote]

#1 False. Don't believe the narrative. The country was far more divided under Obama.
#2 False. Allies have been asked to pull their own weight instead of suckling the US teat. Nato allies are finally stepping up and paying what they agreed to pay after decades of not paying the amounts agreed to by treaty.
#3 Which enemies, what fun?
#4 Again false. Everything done has been in the interest of justice. He could have fired Mueller, which his Constitutionally granted powers allow, he didn't. He has been targeted from day 1 ....... Let's not forget Obama little gems.... Fast and Furious, IRS targeting of conservative groups, Benghazi..... all investigations were stonewalled and impeded.
#5 Really come on......50% maybe
#6 It is not a violation of the first amendment to call out the mediaon their false claims. He has not stopped any of the media from reporting, nor investigated any of them...... Unlike Obama whose administration hacked media personel emails not only in the US but in Germany and other coutries....... and then this gem......

It is funny how people hold Trump to a different standard than any other President.

A few facts

#1 Trump did not use the IRS or FBI to target opponents.... Obama did
#2 Trump did not propose tougher penalties for repeat offenders..... Biden and Clinton did
#3 Trump did not bypass Congress to allow millions of illegal aliens to stay in the country which is unconstitutional.....Obama did

#4 Trump DID put in place criminal justice reform(First step Act)....... not Obama
#5 Trump DID bring manufacturing back to the US...... not Obama who said "manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.”

I could go on and on ......

..... but go ahead and believe "if you like your doctor you can keep him"

[The Lamb]

one thing you need to factor, in New York alone, there was 12000 cases of flu at the beginning of April, one week later there was only 120 but covid cases and deaths spiked (and they didn't test). Turns out at that point you got money for covid cases but not for flu... Well dog my cats, thats amazing. So the flu that was killing alot this year magically went away and covid hit harder when money was offered???? So wierd!

My neighbor was on quarantine for covid, doctor wouldn't test her for flu or covid, she asked and he said nope its covid. She got better from the fever but had bad stomach pains, doctor told her "covid is different for everyone, here are pain killers". A week later, still having issues. She went by ambulance to hospital, they put her in covid unit and tested...NEGATIVE, quickily out of covid unit and to MRI. Turns out she had pancreatitis all along. But I bet her false guess positive is in those figures still .

Im pretty sure you could have gone in with a sprained ankle and it would be covid lol

So be careful with these figures. This was the biggest money grab in US history lol

[Meliva]

Let's also not forget that when trump banned travel from china, many of his critics labelled him as a fear monger and racist, and going too far. Hell Biden was one of his critics, then when we learned just how damn bad this virus was, everyone then flipped their accusations and said he didn't go far enough, he should have acted sooner, etc.

Hindsight is 20-20. It's really easy to look back on past events and say "well I would have done X, and it would have worked better." It's a lot harder to look to the future and do what would be the best move.

Also, let's not forget that China tried to hide and downplay the virus, silencing folks who spoke out about it, and because of this, the virus spread from them to most of the globe. And when other countries wanted to investigate the virus, China made threats to stop them.

[Mack]

Want less cases?
Test less people!

Dude is on crack

you obviously dont get what he means there..


we by far have tested way more people than anyone else, so there for our numbers on paper are way higher, simple logic.

what that means is, think about china for a second and their high population.. .. now if they tested the same % of their pooulation we can only assume at this point what the real numbers are.. ..


on top of that those people are infected if you test them or not and everyone still has low mortality rate compared to the influenza so whats the pandimic about

You're right, I definiitely don't get what he means, because not only did he state it, he then double down and confirmed he meant it as a means of case control.

Australia has tested at virtually the same rate per 1000 of population.

If you don't care that the actions and inactions of your administration, led by the best and most popular president in the history of the world, has resulted in countless avoidable illness and death then you may the one illinformed.

Part of it is the healthcare system we have here, something that can't happen in the US due to the billions of $$$ incested in lobbyists by your HC corporations and big pharma, and that's a shame, because it works.

You don't have to allow your corporations to act like a bunch of cunts to be a succesful capitalism based democracy.

The stats above are no pissing competition, just highlighting what good government and responsible corporate watchdogs can do.
The US has has 24 times the cases of Australia per 1000 population
And a criminal, literally criminal, 92 times the deaths per 1000 population.

With almost exactly the same test rate..

are you able to find the exact day Australia restricted travel?

[Kangaroo]

They were phased in from January 31.