Clock's question on Dman for CJ

[Vane]

Odd how i dont get called out like you, am not hated like you, and dont have to try and defend myself like you if i am apparently no different. Same is said for clock and the others.

Your lack of ability to understand the difference between promotional and detrimental is astonishing.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Jammingram was it? Oh yeah me and him are good buds. He checks in with me and we talk every now and then. Is that the player who quit? Because i told him how to weather storms and then he said his old age wasnt ready for such a stressful game.

Nice try not a nice try. I remember who you are talking about now. Nah i didnt run him out.

wasnt him ask deluge but pretty sure that wasnt the name he was as new as deluge im thinkin jam was quite a bit older but i could be wrong i dont memorize numbers of those who arent in my circle


lol promotional lmao yeah you running a newb out was promotional and not detrimental
i guess your right though promotional for you detrimental for him
as for calling me out pffft crying and calling are two different things
there are clear guidelines on toxicity and i clearly dont fit them soooo.......




on that note i will let you post and carry on as much as you like i have better things to do like watch funny youtubes fly back and forth in torn and watch these threads and grin

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Wolfie

[PFH]

Id ask deluge

But he blocked me

Why dont you be a lad and post the name here for me like ive asked every time you have brought it up?

[PFH]

Ah he again deflects my request. Guess ill never know

[Lachlan]

Jammingram was it? Oh yeah me and him are good buds. He checks in with me and we talk every now and then. Is that the player who quit? Because i told him how to weather storms and then he said his old age wasnt ready for such a stressful game.

Nice try not a nice try. I remember who you are talking about now. Nah i didnt run him out.

wasnt him ask deluge but pretty sure that wasnt the name he was as new as deluge im thinkin jam was quite a bit older but i could be wrong i dont memorize numbers of those who arent in my circle


lol promotional lmao yeah you running a newb out was promotional and not detrimental
i guess your right though promotional for you detrimental for him
as for calling me out pffft crying and calling are two different things
there are clear guidelines on toxicity and i clearly dont fit them soooo.......


on that note i will let you post and carry on as much as you like i have better things to do like watch funny youtubes fly back and forth in torn and watch these threads and grin

Why so much blank space?

[DezNutz]

Dman and deluge have griefed the guild of The Guardians and i have arrived to help defend them.

Dman now does the same thing to skn demanding my departure or will attack the nation.

He also did the same thing to me in Kiribati. Pro in the past did this to me when i joined SSAA, and Pro was punished for his actions in past history.

I reported this behavior as griefing as this behavior has been continued for a week or two and was happening before i arrived at [GUARD]. The attitude behind these attacks has been very toxic and deluge has been toxic in both actions and behavior.

I call for a public reporting of these two. Dman has been very toxic in forums. His reasonings for his attacks have all been the same excuse of using my name, stan rogers, el draque, and magnus for his unprovoked griefed attacks. Every attack of his is someone elses fault be it their faulty action identified by hoax and fake belief he so call has.

His extortions along woth anyone he does the extortiona with need addressed as this has gone long enough to be tolerated in game. This toxic behavior is affecting me, new players in GUARD, and a few others that wish to stay anonymous of the issue.

They have affevted my gameplay and i have been unable to join nations without dman forcing me out of the nation based on his threats. This happened in kiribati (a nation i really wanted to help with france) and now with st kitts nevis knowing i have financially backed the nation in its recovery and because of some excuse not associated with and skn member, he yet again sings a threat that yet again puts risk on St kitts nevis.

A few more things he does that are toxic are:

Cast excessive voodoo when plundered, nukes ports when attacked with voodoo retaliation, has obscene mouthtalk in forums, uses deluge as a proxy, extorts new players or weakened players to feel strong, attacks whomever he pleases and gets protected no matter the situation by guildmates or proxies like taylorx, and makes jokes about gays, transgenders, and parental jokes that younger eyes should not see.

Why hasnt dmanwuzhere been banned or punished officially by administration for this kind of behavior ?

That is all i will say about this horrid toxicity.

Here is my honest opinion on the matter.

Are dman's actions an exploitation of game mechanics? No.

Do dman's actions ruffle feathers? Yes

Do dman's actions create a negative environment in game? Sometimes, but not always.

Does a negative environment mean it's toxic game play? Not necessarily.

Dman is not exploiting the game. While Dman's actions are not liked by many, his actions are within the game design. If his actions are pushing the bounds of what the community as a whole finds acceptable, it is the communities duty, not the administration, to take action. Come together as a community and take him on in game. As I last checked, dman is one player and even if he had support of a few others, the community as a whole is quite large. Resources could easily be pulled to fight against him.

As for the issue of griefing, if those involved are in any way instigating dman's conduct, then they are themselves at fault and it is not griefing.

This of course is just my opinion.

[Lefty]

Dez, that has already been done. One on one, he can be beaten into submission. I have done such, Vane has done such. However, he is a member of the most powerful guild in the game. He started getting help (A Lot of voodoo help!) from others in the guild and his best bud Xpro. I have had Fenixs Xpro, and Nelson throw hundreds of voodoo at me, while I play the game like you suggest in your post above. It has gotten past the point of acceptable comments and actions. That is why we are asking that something be done. Only asking, not disparaging comments and insults that try to deflect from the situation. I know you are easily entertained by such. But many are not

[Most Lee Harmless]

Actually, the allegations of extortion are very much against the games rules : its enforced milking of an acct such that the acct is not played for its own benefit. So allegations of extortion need investigating on that basis alone.

Note: I have not said extortion IS happening, but allegations HAVE been made. The accuracy of these allegations can only be determined by the game admins who have a clear overview of all the needed data. The community does not have that overview, so it remains a 'he said, they said, we said, I said' debate which can only lead to more agro.

On a personal note : extortion is a crappy way to go about things, same as other forms of toxic play, it will destroy folks interest in and desire to play this game. Its not just about using tactics that bump up ethically against the rules and looking for a loophole or precedent to excuse that. We should not need to be looking for loopholes or exploitation to enjoy this game. Neither should players, new or old, have their gametime made uncomfortable or unbearable by others 'staying inside the rules' but acting like prime shytes in doing so.

In the end every player here is a human being. Treat each other with some respect. Enjoy your time here but it need not be at the expense of others fun. Being the big boss of an empty playground is not fun, its dull. Which is kinda contrary to the whole notion of playing a game.. whuch is supposed to be about fun.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Dez, that has already been done. One on one, he can be beaten into submission. I have done such, Vane has done such. However, he is a member of the most powerful guild in the game. He started getting help (A Lot of voodoo help!) from others in the guild and his best bud Xpro. I have had Fenixs Xpro, and Nelson throw hundreds of voodoo at me, while I play the game like you suggest in your post above. It has gotten past the point of acceptable comments and actions. That is why we are asking that something be done. Only asking, not disparaging comments and insults that try to deflect from the situation. I know you are easily entertained by such. But many are not

if you dont want vudu to cast on you dont cast on the traders and act like you are hitting me
if you dont want pro casting on you dont cast on him
as for beating me you have never even come close you were ignored because you run crap fleets
and i dont recall vane ever fighting me one on one for weeks on end last time i recall fighting him was when he softened kiribati citizens up for vudu
otherwise a couple things here or there but nothing major
only you have done that and even then it was garbage voodoo which i am quite happy to throw back
then i get bored and you become nothing

you and pros fight had nothing to do with me you tried intimidating him and swallowed your teeth

[Dmanwuzhere]

Actually, the allegations of extortion are very much against the games rules : its enforced milking of an acct such that the acct is not played for its own benefit. So allegations of extortion need investigating on that basis alone.

Note: I have not said extortion IS happening, but allegations HAVE been made. The accuracy of these allegations can only be determined by the game admins who have a clear overview of all the needed data. The community does not have that overview, so it remains a 'he said, they said, we said, I said' debate which can only lead to more agro.

On a personal note : extortion is a crappy way to go about things, same as other forms of toxic play, it will destroy folks interest in and desire to play this game. Its not just about using tactics that bump up ethically against the rules and looking for a loophole or precedent to excuse that. We should not need to be looking for loopholes or exploitation to enjoy this game. Neither should players, new or old, have their gametime made uncomfortable or unbearable by others 'staying inside the rules' but acting like prime shytes in doing so.

In the end every player here is a human being. Treat each other with some respect. Enjoy your time here but it need not be at the expense of others fun. Being the big boss of an empty playground is not fun, its dull. Which is kinda contrary to the whole notion of playing a game.. whuch is supposed to be about fun.

you call it extortion i call it compensation
unless you try to extort 100m from a nation or you will nuke them for no reason
i guess i will have to report that as extortion aka milking and toxic
wanna bump suzys screaming topic announcing the extortion
which no one bothered crying about then?