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[Sebena]

Why people decide to stay in training guild instead of pursuing their own path? That answer is simple they consider that place a place to call home. Why is that? It has nothing to do with purpose or way of training it is that way because they are managed that way. Real leaders will never act as bigger man or look down on others. He will be equal to them but he will also know when he needs to step out and make decision when it is needed. Once when you manage to make family out of the your guild it will be hard to break it. I know few players from TOR they had great start but too much people changed in leaderahip from what I saw as outsider some were right choice some were not and I feel like that is main reason for their curnent state if curnent leadership step up their game and see how curnent memebers breathe and work with them on fixing leeking places they will be able to stand up again if not then leadership of TOR should try to learn from mistakes they made now and maybe fix them in the future if they decide to try again with new guild

[Donald Trump]

we see enough 'strange suggestions being made on the forum by players that did not think their suggestion through enough or understand the context in which that suggestion is made. in a training guild i assume it will be doubly so.

Strange suggestions be your ideas. The greatest inventors had many faults.

a dictator is a leader who forces people to follow him. who is or was bullied to stay in a guild? what kind of thread or force was used? maybe i am naive, but if you don't want to follow you just leave the guild. freedom of choice, take all or take none!

Well you clearly agree a dictatorship would fail, because people would leave. But in reality, giving people "fake powers" is just the same as dictatorship, just better played out. Instead of letting them use their powers, they are over watched on everything to point where they are basically asking for the leader to accept their plea. This is where red tape plays into hand, the unneeded and excessive instigating of others choices.

Taking others opinions and no red tape can sometimes be opposites. That is when executive (leader) decisions must be made. This is my opinion of balance between the people in charge and the people not in charge.

i truly do not understand what you say here.

When peoples opinion becomes too diverse to reach a conclusion, then it is the leader's choice to create an executive order.

[Maha]

Well you clearly agree a dictatorship would fail, because people would leave. But in reality, giving people "fake powers" is just the same as dictatorship, just better played out. Instead of letting them use their powers, they are over watched on everything to point where they are basically asking for the leader to accept their plea. This is where red tape plays into hand, the unneeded and excessive instigating of others choices.

When peoples opinion becomes too diverse to reach a conclusion, then it is the leader's choice to create an executive order.

so the leader has a multitude of sub leaders who come with diverse opinions. therefore the leader has to make an executive order which may seem to make the sub leaders powers "fake". and since this is "better played" it is a sneaky form of dictatorship? do you understand why i find this confusing?

leaving your parental home, or graduating from High School can be scary experiences. just as Wolfie wrote. Staying seems the safe way to do, but creates problems as well. some birds are kicked out of the nest to force them to fly. though love!

i am in favor of training guilds, but the 'graduation'from the guild will never be an easy one.

[Donald Trump]

Well you clearly agree a dictatorship would fail, because people would leave. But in reality, giving people "fake powers" is just the same as dictatorship, just better played out. Instead of letting them use their powers, they are over watched on everything to point where they are basically asking for the leader to accept their plea. This is where red tape plays into hand, the unneeded and excessive instigating of others choices.

When peoples opinion becomes too diverse to reach a conclusion, then it is the leader's choice to create an executive order.

so the leader has a multitude of sub leaders who come with diverse opinions. therefore the leader has to make an executive order which may seem to make the sub leaders powers "fake". and since this is "better played" it is a sneaky form of dictatorship? do you understand why i find this confusing?

leaving your parental home, or graduating from High School can be scary experiences. just as Wolfie wrote. Staying seems the safe way to do, but creates problems as well. some birds are kicked out of the nest to force them to fly. though love!

i am in favor of training guilds, but the 'graduation'from the guild will never be an easy one.

The leader has a multitude of sub leaders who think and ponder his suggestion, and if the disliking is good enough, it is rejected. Like a Parliament to a King.

On the training guild graduation part, it was very tough for me. Times were much simpler back at the HELM. Still have regrets about how I left, and why I left. But that is all in the past, just know things get a lot more complex than ever when you leave your home guild.

[DezNutz]

Just like any stories you heard, when leaderships up roots and moved on, it leaves behind a gapping hole. Unless you put Obama or Ben Franklin or Lee Kuan Yew in, the new leadership will not be able to gain grounds on their roles or on the members in such short span of time.

Sorry there snowflake, but Obama is no leader.

[Shadowood]

My quick two cents on this as lots have been discussed.

- I started in HELM (a training guild). Even though I'm older in RL, I was a noob in the ways of PG. I lost several SOLT in my beginning. Notably to Juicy and Haron. Black Sparrow saw my struggle and lent a guiding hand. Took me on a proper raid and piracy started to click for me. While there I met some great players who I wanted to do great things with (William One Eye, Meliva, a the famous Bigtea). I wanted to start a new nation and control a port or two. Long story short, Isle of Man was born and rose to power quicker then anyone had anticipated due to Bigtea's huge investment into the game. I won't get into detail on this or why Bigtea left as that is for another time. What's important is that Isle of Man stood strong with One Eye at the helm after Bigtea's departure.
- While all the above was going on, I felt it best to leave HELM as I was active in plundering and causing mischief, which goes against HELM/Tokelau, non-aggressive behavior. This was best... A brief time in FOX, a shorter time in MANX... I was contact by none other then Sir John Jacob Astor to Co-Lead (Viceroy) a new guild TOR! With some great members already committed to join, I of course said YES!
- TOR was a great guild. It was a training guild first and foremost. I was heavily active in recruiting new members and trying to teach them the ways of PG, as were other board members, to help build up not only TOR but most importantly the Player Base of the game. At one point I think we had 45 members if I remember correctly. Sadly, as we all know to well, players lose interest very fast in this game. However, we have had several members stick, learn and grow.
- I however, wanted something different. I now also think guilds of large size (15+) hurt game play. This is why my new guild will be at a 8 Player Max Capacity (with the exception of 1 player - SKOGI). For now and the foreseeable future, I want to not have a training guild. I want to surround myself with veteran players with solid activity and great ideas. I want to learn more from them and from that I want to learn how we can better support and grow the game. This was my purpose in leaving TOR. I feel this new venture is off to a great start.
- I am saddened by the collapse of TOR. But I know that the active members who are still around have/will find a great guild to be apart of and find a new way in the game themselves.

- OR of course, this was just all my elaborate scheme to send Spy's out into to other guilds in my hope of world domination...

You can decide.

[Maha]

I now also think guilds of large size (15+) hurt game play.

has anyone ever tried to form a training nation?
it has some downsides, no way to monitor active voodoo and gc levels or even how active players are. but for those nations who want to grow (USSR, Canada, Vietnam) it could be a win win. new players get mentors to help them out while they also have a 'home' in a guild. and the training nations will get stronger in player base, fame and inner cohesive.

[Donald Trump]

I now also think guilds of large size (15+) hurt game play.

has anyone ever tried to form a training nation?
it has some downsides, no way to monitor active voodoo and gc levels or even how active players are. but for those nations who want to grow (USSR, Canada, Vietnam) it could be a win win. new players get mentors to help them out while they also have a 'home' in a guild. and the training nations will get stronger in player base, fame and inner cohesive.

SSTG is a training guild and they are all in Bermuda, so, already exists.

[Government]

I personally would like to do that with Norway, I am to the best of my knowledge the only active player

[Haron]

Welcome, government! No, you're not the only player from Norway. It's just that in the game, nations carry a significance. Thus, people select nations for game technical reasons, not because it's their real nation