Last one to post wins

[Lachlan]

You want to know why I know what you said about immigrants is complete crap? I live in America-and I know a bunch of them-they ain't scared AT ALL. Because the ones I know are legal and law abiding-My literal boss is from Pakistan. I know about half a dozen people from various African countries-I often share a ride with a lady from Tanzania. The HR lady I know is from the Philippines. The guy who does house repairs for me is Mexican. The guy who does yard work in my neighborhood is too-ICE was in our city too. Guess what? Not a damn thing happened to ANY of them. You want to know why? They are here legally, they break NO laws, and are not STUPID enough to resist-let's say ICE did want to take them in for questioning-just go along with it, and once its' over with and they know you're legal go home-it's inconvenient sure, but you know fighting back is just going to make it worse right? That and my city isn't so damn stupid as to fight and riot against LITERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. Not a DAMN one of the people I know gave a crap when ICE started deporting people. In all honestly most of them supported it even. Legal immigrants normally HATE Illegal ones. You know, since it's hard to get here legally, and Illegal folks just, cut the line and make them ALL look bad?

Also, you are clearly not bloody listening(or reading in this case) my damn arguments properly or intentionally bending what I am saying. Where the hell did, I say America should have no allies? Where did I say we should do NO trade? I said we should do LESS trade and change how much we trade not do away with it altogether. Doing more domestically does not mean do EVERYTHING domestically-and I said perhaps its' time to form NEW alliances and drop OLD ones that are no longer beneficial. Or apply pressure to our current allies to step up. Didn't say we should become some Hermit Kingdom and go totally isolationist.

I also did not insult you-I stated I could only think of 3 reasons why you would possibly think people do not want to immigrate to the US-Delusional, lying or ignorant. I presumed the third. Now being called ignorant can be an insult-but that is not the way I used it-being ignorant of a fact or knowledge is not an insult-everyone is ignorant about various things. I don't know crap about your country's current leader-I am ignorant about who he or she is. If you asked me a question about them, I'd just say I don't know jack about them-I don't even know if it's a man or woman president you got-Hell I don't even know if that's what you call your leader-you might use Prime minister-I can't remember the leader of Australia's title even-that is how ignorant I am of your politics. So if some Aussie called me ignorant on Australian politics-I'd just say yeah-yeah I am-not an insult it's just a statement.

Also, you JUST bloody proved one of my points-you literally said America is NOT a good place to go too-what is that if not looking down on it? You even said in your latest post that you are trying to be polite to avoid insulting me or my country-which tells me that was likely the 'polite' version of your view on America. That it's not a good place to go too. What do you call that if not looking down on it? If I said your home is not a good place to visit, you'd probably say I'm looking down on your abode, would you not?

From your perspective sure I could see why you think immigrants would not be afraid of ICE. I can wholeheartedly assure you that a significant portion of them are afraid or at least apprehensive of what ICE is doing. While I am sure the entirety of ICE may not necessarily be bad, the fact is that I have seen significant amounts of those agents using excessive force and illegally detaining people.

If you were living in the US legally why would you suggest if those people were able to show proper evidence that they were in fact here legally, why would you suggest they voluntarily submit themselves to get sent to a detention centre for questioning? If I were living in your country legally I sure as hell would not want to go to a detention centre and get potentially deported after I gave them evidence I was a legal immigrant as requested.

Your previous posts led me to believe you thought that a large amount of current US allies maybe should be dropped and perhaps you should form closer ties with other countries and then you mentioned Russia (which are currently your enemies). At one stage you said that America has most of what it needs locally which is not entirely true. That implies you think that you can significantly cut trade at least in my mind with only minor ill effects on your economy.

I said America is not a good place to go to at the moment. I have heard of people being denied entry to visit your country due to their political belief such as being pro-Palestinian or apparently something as trivial as having one of those silly JD Vance memes on their phone. Now the first reason could be a valid reason to deny entry if they talk about bombing a synagogue or something but if it is something more like "Oh I feel sorry for the Palestinians that have been displaced due to HAMAS and Israel fighting then that is not a good reason to deny entry. There is also unrest in some parts of your country with mass protests. That is not me being insulting. That is what is happening at the moment.

By trying not to insult your country I mean more specifically trying not to insult Trump and to a lesser extent you. You seem to think Europeans, Canadians, Australians and the rest of the world have had bad opinions of your country for a long time. That is simply not remotely true. Recently they have bad opinions of Trump but I don't think other countries have bad opinions of your country as a whole. Just Trump and his policies. This seems to be a deep seated belief of yours and I am not sure why. But I ask this. Your President threatened to invade Canada and Greenland. Usually when countries are threatened with something like that they feel insulted and angry. Yet Denmark has not done anything major and Canada has just raised their own tariffs and called it a day. I would think that these countries and their allies would be well within their rights to send insults about your country and it's perceived deficiencies but they for the most part have not. Yet even despite all these wrongdoings you seem to think insults of your country (which have largely not happened as of yet) would not be justified. Why do you think this?

Pointing out a countries deficiencies I don't think should be by default considered an insult from the get go. Every country has problems they need to work on. I could list a few of Australia's problems if you would like. We have a housing crisis at the moment with a shortage of houses, an aged care sector with frequent cases of neglect or disconduct (although aged care is in the process of being reformed at the moment), stagnant wage growth, cost of living pressures (although this is basically a world problem at the moment) and I could name more. I don't think pointing out real issues and problems that countries are facing is by default insulting or "looking down" on another country.

I concede that some of my opinions may be inaccurate because I don't live in your country. However I feel like at times you seem to downplay problems your country has and feel it isn't a big issue when from an outsiders perspective it seems to be a big problem.

[Meliva]

From your perspective sure I could see why you think immigrants would not be afraid of ICE. I can wholeheartedly assure you that a significant portion of them are afraid or at least apprehensive of what ICE is doing. While I am sure the entirety of ICE may not necessarily be bad, the fact is that I have seen significant amounts of those agents using excessive force and illegally detaining people.

Wow. Just wow. The arrogance on display here. You went from simply saying that think to now just outright telling me that that you can wholeheartedly ASSURE me that a significant portion of immigrants think the way you do and are scared. Enlighten me. How do you know that? Because you saw some video of some lunatic screaming about Ice? Because someone somewhere said X and you agree? How many immigrants have you talked to in America? I bet I've talked too more. Since, again, I LITERALLY just told you, I know quite a few Immigrants PERSONALLY-I WORK FOR ONE-he's a bigger Trump supporter then I AM-and he's GLAD about the deportations. Guy is LITERALLY from Pakistan. He isn't scared in the SLIGHTEST. What exactly have you SEEN to show or believe ICE is some oppressive group kidnapping innocent people? You talking about Renee Good maybe? Who was oh so innocently shot dead for no reason whatsoever? Oh no wait, that's right she had her brains blown out because she rammed her vehicle into an Ice Agent and got herself a Darwin Award in my opinion. Oh, maybe you're talking about that innocent Maryland man who was deported who was a citizen? Oh no wait, he was a gang member, had a deportation notice and was an abusive spouse to his wife.

You are IGNORANT Lachlan. That or just debating in bad faith. Or Delusional. I'm going to give benefit of the doubt and just assume it's the first-that you heard a bunch of crap, didn't dig into it, or are listening to a very loud very vocal minority.

[Meliva]

If you were living in the US legally why would you suggest if those people were able to show proper evidence that they were in fact here legally, why would you suggest they voluntarily submit themselves to get sent to a detention centre for questioning? If I were living in your country legally I sure as hell would not want to go to a detention centre and get potentially deported after I gave them evidence I was a legal immigrant as requested.

Oh Gee, I don't know maybe because refusing makes you seem guilty? Could get you shot and killed? Could get charged with resisting a lawful order? You don't FIGHT law enforcement on the Street-even if you are ONE MILLION PERCENT CONFIDENT they are in the wrong, and what they are doing is UNLAWFUL, fight it in the COURT-not with armed law enforcement unless you want to risk being shot dead. But hey, maybe if you're lucky, you'll get some murals and a t-shirt with your face on it and your family might win some lawsuit while you rot in a grave since you decided to fight Law enforcement on the street and got shot.

[Lachlan]

If you were living in the US legally why would you suggest if those people were able to show proper evidence that they were in fact here legally, why would you suggest they voluntarily submit themselves to get sent to a detention centre for questioning? If I were living in your country legally I sure as hell would not want to go to a detention centre and get potentially deported after I gave them evidence I was a legal immigrant as requested.

Oh Gee, I don't know maybe because refusing makes you seem guilty? Could get you shot and killed? Could get charged with resisting a lawful order? You don't FIGHT law enforcement on the Street-even if you are ONE MILLION PERCENT CONFIDENT they are in the wrong, and what they are doing is UNLAWFUL, fight it in the COURT-not with armed law enforcement unless you want to risk being shot dead. But hey, maybe if you're lucky, you'll get some murals and a t-shirt with your face on it and your family might win some lawsuit while you rot in a grave since you decided to fight Law enforcement on the street and got shot.

When did I say you should fight them lol
If they suspect you are an illegal immigrant and you give them the proper evidence you are in fact not an illegal immigrant I am 95% sure being detained and sent to a detention facility for questioning is not a lawful order

[Meliva]

You said they shouldn't voluntarily go with Ice to a detention center for questioning. That implies resisting them at BARE MINIMUM. Maybe not outright fighting them-but still resisting-which makes it WORSE. You can get hurt, and hit with some charges.

[Lachlan]

From your perspective sure I could see why you think immigrants would not be afraid of ICE. I can wholeheartedly assure you that a significant portion of them are afraid or at least apprehensive of what ICE is doing. While I am sure the entirety of ICE may not necessarily be bad, the fact is that I have seen significant amounts of those agents using excessive force and illegally detaining people.

Wow. Just wow. The arrogance on display here. You went from simply saying that think to now just outright telling me that that you can wholeheartedly ASSURE me that a significant portion of immigrants think the way you do and are scared. Enlighten me. How do you know that? Because you saw some video of some lunatic screaming about Ice? Because someone somewhere said X and you agree? How many immigrants have you talked to in America? I bet I've talked too more. Since, again, I LITERALLY just told you, I know quite a few Immigrants PERSONALLY-I WORK FOR ONE-he's a bigger Trump supporter then I AM-and he's GLAD about the deportations. Guy is LITERALLY from Pakistan. He isn't scared in the SLIGHTEST. What exactly have you SEEN to show or believe ICE is some oppressive group kidnapping innocent people? You talking about Renee Good maybe? Who was oh so innocently shot dead for no reason whatsoever? Oh no wait, that's right she had her brains blown out because she rammed her vehicle into an Ice Agent and got herself a Darwin Award in my opinion. Oh, maybe you're talking about that innocent Maryland man who was deported who was a citizen? Oh no wait, he was a gang member, had a deportation notice and was an abusive spouse to his wife.

You are IGNORANT Lachlan. That or just debating in bad faith. Or Delusional. I'm going to give benefit of the doubt and just assume it's the first-that you heard a bunch of crap, didn't dig into it, or are listening to a very loud very vocal minority.

I think ICE is overall sketchy. They drive around in unmarked cars, sometimes completely covering their faces so they cannot be identified and sometimes arresting the wrong people. But the bottom line is as you say that you would probably have a more accurate read on things as you actually live in America, I suppose we won't ever agree on this issue. I think us debating this is probably a waste of time for the both of us so I won't talk about immigration any longer.

I don't know that other incident you are talking about. I have only heard about the Renee Good one. From what I can see in the videos I can find they tell her to get out, she reverses for some reason and then the ICE agent in front of the SUV pulls his gun out. At that time in the video I noticed the other two seemed relatively calm and had not pulled their weapons out. Renee good then accelerated forward, turning right and looks like narrowly missed the ICE agent and then he shot her 3 times. We will never know her thought process but the ICE agent I am sure felt he was in danger and perhaps Renee Good panicked when she saw the unholstered gun and tried to run away. But I ask, why was that ICE agent directly in front of the car. That is a horrible position to stand as if the suspect tries to flee you are in the perfect position to be run over. He should have positioned himself better in a less dangerous position.

The other one I have heard of is Alex Pretti, that ones seems more serious to me because from the videos I have seen (now bear in mind I have not specifically watched videos of the lead up to the incident) he had already been subdued by multiple officers and pepper sprayed so he was no longer an active threat and then one officer grabbed his gun which he was legally allowed to carry, took it off him, around that same time another officer yelled out gun and then shot him a few times. That seems far more like those ICE agents were in the wrong that time.

[Lachlan]

You said they shouldn't voluntarily go with Ice to a detention center for questioning. That implies resisting them at BARE MINIMUM. Maybe not outright fighting them-but still resisting-which makes it WORSE. You can get hurt, and hit with some charges.

Yes but I don't think your advice is sound either. Think about it, you would be panicking and thinking you don't want to go to a detention centre that I think most people who have not actually been in one will think is like jail, they know they have done nothing wrong and will be panicking and not thinking rationally. I am sure then they might think they will be deported even though they probably won't and that will make a person struggle and scream which the ICE agents will think is resisting arrest.

People are not going to be thinking calmly when ICE goes up to them, you tell them you are here legally and they tell you to come with them. I know even if normal police come up to me and tell me to come with them, even if I haven't done anything wrong or illegal I would still be panicking a little bit wondering if I am in trouble.

[Meliva]

Ok-you are indeed very bloody misinformed. Renee good LITERALLY hit the Ice agent-he had bruises on his body-as for why he was standing in front he was walking past it and probably didn't think she was going to try to drive away-you can even hear her wife or partner yell "DRIVE BABY DRIVE" when she was TOLD to get out-after impeding their work. You don't get to harass and make a law enforcements job harder and then cry victim when they decide to arrest you and you DEFINITELY don't get to just drive off and ram into one of them and expect to not get your brain blown out-Alex Pretti-was also told by his own FAMILY NOT TO GO PROTEST-and that if he really DID INSIST he does so- to at LEAST do NOT go ARMED-again-Darwin award-he was on video damaging federal property in an incident a while before this.

And yes-Ice agents are using unmarked vehicles and wearing masks. Probably because a lot of idiots are doing whatever they can to stop them from doing their damn jobs, harassing them, their families, and threatening them.

If a law enforcement tells you to do something-just do it-running will make it worse-resisting will make it worse-fighting back will make it worse-fight it in COURT. Jesus-the way some people think you act like they're going to just draw their gun and blow your brains out for looking at them funny-so long as you are polite, respectful and comply, you're going to have a much easier time. Yes some times there is police brutality-but it's an outlier and an exception not the bloody norm.

What exactly do YOU damn well suggest that is better then complying with law enforcement-go on-tell me-I'm all ears. Let's see what you think people should do if ICE tells them to come with them.

[Dr Vegapunk]

In my country, the price of gasoline remain at 0.25usd/L (Citizens only which subsidized by government). It stay at that price for almost 2 years now. We able to survive this global crisis becoz we produced our own oil n we also the exporters. It's good business I guess in the mid of this crisis. If the price of gasoline in ur country spark at uncontrollable rate then u are not doing fine. Should have all that drill site operate first before start the war. It took time to start up new site. Everydays count as the rise of oil will impact a lot of things. Transportation will be expensive resulting to increase price of goods. Same apply for power supply. Millions people in country will face the impact. From my perspective, this is not only Weponize War but also the Economic Warfare. Well not that I care as we just chill outside watching the theatre.

Are you Nigerian?
That's where gas is the cheapest, although higher than you stated.
I rather like our USA problems vs Nigerian issues.

Nigeria is currently facing multiple challenges, including widespread violence from militant groups like Boko Haram, economic hardship with high inflation rates, and issues related to governance and security. Additionally, there are significant humanitarian crises, including food insecurity and displacement due to ongoing conflicts.
Nigeria is grappling with a range of significant issues that impact its stability and development. The following outlines the primary problems the country is facing today.
Economic Hardship
High Inflation: Nigeria is experiencing soaring inflation rates, which reached 34.19% by mid-2024. Food inflation has surpassed 40%, severely affecting the cost of living.
Poverty: The economic situation has pushed many Nigerians deeper into poverty, exacerbating existing inequalities.
Militant Violence: Groups like Boko Haram continue to perpetrate violence, particularly in the Northeast. This includes kidnappings and attacks that have resulted in numerous casualties.
Banditry: In the Northwest, armed gangs are responsible for mass abductions and violent raids, contributing to a climate of fear and insecurity.
Ethnic and Religious Conflicts: Ongoing violence between predominantly Muslim herders and Christian farming communities has led to significant loss of life and displacement.
Displacement: Millions of Nigerians have been displaced due to conflict, leading to urgent humanitarian needs. The number of people requiring assistance has surged, particularly in the Northeast.
Food Insecurity: The combination of conflict and economic challenges has resulted in widespread food insecurity, affecting millions of people.
Governance and Accountability
Bad Governance: Protests, such as the #EndBadGovernance movement, highlight public dissatisfaction with government performance and accountability.
Repression of Expression: Authorities have responded to criticism with repression, including the arrest of journalists and activists, threatening freedom of expression.
These challenges are interconnected and require comprehensive strategies to address the underlying causes and improve the overall situation in Nigeria. Making the slight increase in US gas prices a wonderful thing in comparison to the problems that come with cheap gas.

I could break down the top 10 places where gas is cheapest and find myself grateful for my location and my gas prices comparatively.

Naahh... I'm from Malaysia. Our citizens live peacefully. We have Free Education, Free Healthcare and public transport. Life is not hard here as government focuses more on our own country instead taking care others. As for the oil, you can google it. Malaysia oil quality is top in the world which fetch in high value. We export our high quality oil then imports low quality one. And guess what, we just got free passage at the Hormuz without paying a single cent. It's good time to live in