Using a proxy to cast voodoo? Action to condemn

[Black sparrow]

I am not used to foul play in PG but I have just been the victim of such. Knowing the efforts that the admins are conducting daily to keep this game free of any kind of cheating, I feel compelled to publicly list the incident.

I am playing this game for I do not know, close to 10 years and this is the first time I have such an incident happen to me. If anyone think I will swallow this like an idiot and continue, he is mistaken.

I plea to the admins to let this discussion unfold as it is only in favor of the game as cheaters need to be identified and either cast away or disciplined to play fairly.

For the record, I had MINIMAL game losses as I won many of the attacks that followed. This is not about me, this is about the game.
I KNOW ALL the game rules, I have been here almost forever. I know WHAT to post publicly, HOW to post it and I EVEN know the hidden SHARED IP rules. So, you are now BUSTED!

Here is the incident:

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xPROx (#71327) has casted Spy Network on you!
   2018-03-03 03:02:36
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xPROx (#71327) has casted Hostile Natives on you!
   2018-03-03 03:02:20
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xPROx (#71327) has casted Hostile Natives on you!
   2018-03-03 03:02:16
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xPROx (#71327) has casted Hostile Natives on you!
   2018-03-03 03:02:11

Please note the time, 3:02:11 till 03:02:36

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2   United Kingdom Banger   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Goroum   2018-03-03 03:28:04   Show | Save
3   United Kingdom Banger   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Goroum   2018-03-03 03:27:55   Show | Save
4   United Kingdom Banger   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Goroum   2018-03-03 03:27:46   Show | Save
5   United Kingdom Banger   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Pania   2018-03-03 03:24:38   Show | Save
6   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Thorakas   2018-03-03 03:22:53   Show | Save
7   United Kingdom Banger   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Baramas   2018-03-03 03:20:28   Show | Save
8   Isle of Man dmanwuzhere   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Tortuga   2018-03-03 03:20:15   Show | Save
9   Isle of Man dmanwuzhere   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Tortuga   2018-03-03 03:20:05   Show | Save
10   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:16:55   Show | Save
11   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:16:45   Show | Save
12   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:16:18   Show | Save
13   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:16:11   Show | Save
14   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:13:32   Show | Save
15   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:13:22   Show | Save
16   Isle of Man dmanwuzhere   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Tzogos   2018-03-03 03:13:21   Show | Save
17   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Vaasburg   2018-03-03 03:12:52   Show | Save
18   Isle of Man dmanwuzhere   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Psaral   2018-03-03 03:11:54   Show | Save
19   United Kingdom Feniks   Tokelau Black Sparrow   Vaasburg   2018-03-03 03:09:21   Show | Save


So, like 7 minutes later, and so on Hitst started coming at multiple ports, only from 3 VUDU members. These are, as you can see above:
dman
Feniks
and Banger

Now, let's go back to XproX:
-He has 0 ships
-He has some voodoo
-He has NO GUILD!

So, a non guild member cooperated with a GUILD to attack me. HAH!
The shared IP rules prohibit players who have the same IP to cooperate against ANYONE. So, I do not know if xProx is a multi, I do not care if he is a multi. He has just been used as a Proxy and cooperated against me.

If any of these 3 members have the same IP with xProx, guess what, you are in trouble! It has been reported to administration.

I have nothing with any of the three. In fact I always had good terms with all three of them. I have given loans to all of them with no troubles. Specifically Banger, he was paying his loans even when we were at war, something that shows good sportmanship.

However, this kind of attack is despicable. Come on, using a proxy to cast? Even if there is no shared IP, which I believe there is, this is way too suspicious. You need to be careful on such moves.

I want this thing to clear out and proper penalties bans given to those that bring responsibility.
If I am mistaken, I apologize before hand and I will also apologize again with a similar topic.

I am not a fool though.

[Vane]

I can agree and also confirm I have reported similar actions recently to Administration regarding xPROx being a proxy.

He doesn't even play the game anymore. He gets a call, comes back to cast then leaves again until he is next summoned. It's toxic and needs addressing immediately.

[Black sparrow]

If there has been a similar issue then my suspicions become a certainty. Perhaps it would be good to also post your case. I am sure if you post only public data or events that show up at your log, no mod will have any right to remove them. Or at least provide some insight on the involved members and time this happened.

To me, there is no difference between a multi and a proxy. Sure, I can hook up some friends and call them when I need to act as witch doctors. Would this be fair? Certainly not. So, even if there is no multi, even if there is no Shared IP then still this action must be condemned and penalized.

I am not sure if admins ever considered this as an offense. Someone acting as a proxy. This is why I posted this up as it is clearly a grey area in the rules which must be considered like rules bordering.

[Vane]

The actions were not specifically against me, so I can not post any data on them. However, I know from many conversations that xPROx acts in this way. Conversations with both him and Dman.

The recent events were on my guild where nearly all the newer players, especially Jack, we're lit by xPROx among other cards, and just as the players were visible, Dman was the only one there to plunder and gain from the casting.

Now these are only facts I have witnessed, among other older events, i've never had a problem with Dman or xPROx personally. We've always gotten along on a player to player level.

[Black sparrow]

Same case goes for me. I never had any problems with XproX and the rest but this plays little reason when we speak about a practice that taints the rules.

I have been in the same guild, fought a war alongside with them. I know they are not multies and I am not inciting any such accusation. I am saying that being a multi or a proxy is somewhat equal. It is the proxy tactic that I condemn and the one I accuse XproX of doing and the rest cooperating.

Now, if the three VUDU members capitalized the gains by sheer luck, I object as it is clear to me that this was organized. What I do not know is if all of them were involved in this before hands or just got a guild alert for example. This is something that admins should check though.

I had multiple real life friends who played this game and no longer play. I would never ask them to do something similar and if they did, I would not participate.

This is the most important part. If everyone starts using the friends who leave the game as proxies, then we won't get anywhere.

I am not here to request the heads of anyone. I just don't want to experience this tactic ever again. If this is the first time admins are aware, so be it, I can accept this. As long as I know that on future repetition, "heads will drop".

[Banger]

In my mind a proxy and a witch doctor are the same thing and as long as nothing is being done about which doctors I don't see how proxies can be handled any different. I will say, however, I would like to see both dealt with.

I would also like to state for the record that despite being on to get some plunder hits off the boards, I had no part of this. I happened to be online as I was mid raid of another player.

[PhoenixKnight]

It seems there is a general consensus that Xprox attacks are not welcomed since he is a witch doctor and his attacks always seem to be followed by someone else’s. In some cases it is Taylor, or a VUDU member.

Not wanting to point a finger but there seems to be a recurring pattern

[Zephore]

The actions were not specifically against me, so I can not post any data on them. However, I know from many conversations that xPROx acts in this way. Conversations with both him and Dman.

The recent events were on my guild where nearly all the newer players, especially Jack, we're lit by xPROx among other cards, and just as the players were visible, Dman was the only one there to plunder and gain from the casting.

Now these are only facts I have witnessed, among other older events, i've never had a problem with Dman or xPROx personally. We've always gotten along on a player to player level.

Suspect that I helped Leonce getting rid of 2 FFJ's too.

Very well, xPro has been throwing on MERC too, hwoever more varied users benefits on it

[Black sparrow]

For the record, I responded with voodoo to those who got the gains. All three of them. So its not a witch doctor problem. It's something that falls into the milking rule as the account is not playing to its full benefit and in fact it is playing for the benefit of others.

[DezNutz]

For the record, I responded with voodoo to those who got the gains. All three of them. So its not a witch doctor problem. It's something that falls into the milking rule as the account is not playing to its full benefit and in fact it is playing for the benefit of others.

That is an interesting take on the issue.