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[Dmanwuzhere]

same goes with Vikings. But from what I recall they would often light themselves on fire just before raiding, though that may be myth. But if it is true I imagine most pirates would be quite frightened and shocked thinking demons were attacking them. Which would impact their aim, maybe cause some to flee. And pistols at the time were not multi shot, most pirates would have to carry multiple pistols. And I imagine since Vikings only fought with melee weapons the average Viking would be a better melee fighter then the average pirate who would normally fight with cannons first, then pistols then swords. So at the end of the day I would say Vikings would have the edge on a land battle, pirates the edge at sea.

no fire, just strength, small (but heavy ) axes, and huge ass shields. Lots of shouting and weapon swinging to demoralise the enemy, and the almighty shield wall.

However, they did worship fire. They believed it protected them from revenge of their evil in the afterlife. So, a Viking funeral; the dead were put in the boat with their belongings - boat for pushed out and set on fire.

Then they had human sacrifices - burned their slaves. (This... Was also some belief of protection)
They thought their enemies (who also got burned) recieved a huge honour. And then they just had a thing for burning villages, churches, castles, whatever they came across.

Actually viking shields were small compared to those who used the wall tactic most viking shields did not protect legs and the reason was quite simple they did not cower but rather had a front line of berserkers who they used to perform a wedge maneuver.
The wedge was simple you send those crazy fookers in the front who were renowned for reaching a battle state that made them fight in what some describe as a heightened battle state who somehow defended and attacked with such ferocity it broke lines and allowed those following behind to further expand on that breach.

To answer the question would they fear pirates lol they were accomplished pirates raiders and merchantmen who lived by a code that had no fear retreats were seldom and obviously they knew when a battle was lost and that battle normally sparked the following generations to continue combatting whoever it was and it essentially became a war and a rite of passage for other younger vikings to attack until they won or the viking line was ended.

No they would not bow to a pirate because of a little boom lol.
the wall that vikings used was for naval combat to stop arrows from hitting their archers and spear chunkers in the back of thier boats which is not the same wall you have seen utilized by other nations of the time.

[Zephore]

same goes with Vikings. But from what I recall they would often light themselves on fire just before raiding, though that may be myth. But if it is true I imagine most pirates would be quite frightened and shocked thinking demons were attacking them. Which would impact their aim, maybe cause some to flee. And pistols at the time were not multi shot, most pirates would have to carry multiple pistols. And I imagine since Vikings only fought with melee weapons the average Viking would be a better melee fighter then the average pirate who would normally fight with cannons first, then pistols then swords. So at the end of the day I would say Vikings would have the edge on a land battle, pirates the edge at sea.

no fire, just strength, small (but heavy ) axes, and huge ass shields. Lots of shouting and weapon swinging to demoralise the enemy, and the almighty shield wall.

However, they did worship fire. They believed it protected them from revenge of their evil in the afterlife. So, a Viking funeral; the dead were put in the boat with their belongings - boat for pushed out and set on fire.

Then they had human sacrifices - burned their slaves. (This... Was also some belief of protection)
They thought their enemies (who also got burned) recieved a huge honour. And then they just had a thing for burning villages, churches, castles, whatever they came across.

Actually viking shields were small compared to those who used the wall tactic most viking shields did not protect legs and the reason was quite simple they did not cower but rather had a front line of berserkers who they used to perform a wedge maneuver.
The wedge was simple you send those crazy fookers in the front who were renowned for reaching a battle state that made them fight in what some describe as a heightened battle state who somehow defended and attacked with such ferocity it broke lines and allowed those following behind to further expand on that breach.

To answer the question would they fear pirates lol they were accomplished pirates raiders and merchantmen who lived by a code that had no fear retreats were seldom and obviously they knew when a battle was lost and that battle normally sparked the following generations to continue combatting whoever it was and it essentially became a war and a rite of passage for other younger vikings to attack until they won or the viking line was ended.

No they would not bow to a pirate because of a little boom lol.
the wall that vikings used was for naval combat to stop arrows from hitting their archers and spear chunkers in the back of thier boats which is not the same wall you have seen utilized by other nations of the time.

They didn't cover the legs but could cover the whole upper body.

[Jack Teach]

same goes with Vikings. But from what I recall they would often light themselves on fire just before raiding, though that may be myth. But if it is true I imagine most pirates would be quite frightened and shocked thinking demons were attacking them. Which would impact their aim, maybe cause some to flee. And pistols at the time were not multi shot, most pirates would have to carry multiple pistols. And I imagine since Vikings only fought with melee weapons the average Viking would be a better melee fighter then the average pirate who would normally fight with cannons first, then pistols then swords. So at the end of the day I would say Vikings would have the edge on a land battle, pirates the edge at sea.

no fire, just strength, small (but heavy ) axes, and huge ass shields. Lots of shouting and weapon swinging to demoralise the enemy, and the almighty shield wall.

However, they did worship fire. They believed it protected them from revenge of their evil in the afterlife. So, a Viking funeral; the dead were put in the boat with their belongings - boat for pushed out and set on fire.

Then they had human sacrifices - burned their slaves. (This... Was also some belief of protection)
They thought their enemies (who also got burned) recieved a huge honour. And then they just had a thing for burning villages, churches, castles, whatever they came across.

Actually viking shields were small compared to those who used the wall tactic most viking shields did not protect legs and the reason was quite simple they did not cower but rather had a front line of berserkers who they used to perform a wedge maneuver.
The wedge was simple you send those crazy fookers in the front who were renowned for reaching a battle state that made them fight in what some describe as a heightened battle state who somehow defended and attacked with such ferocity it broke lines and allowed those following behind to further expand on that breach.

To answer the question would they fear pirates lol they were accomplished pirates raiders and merchantmen who lived by a code that had no fear retreats were seldom and obviously they knew when a battle was lost and that battle normally sparked the following generations to continue combatting whoever it was and it essentially became a war and a rite of passage for other younger vikings to attack until they won or the viking line was ended.

No they would not bow to a pirate because of a little boom lol.
the wall that vikings used was for naval combat to stop arrows from hitting their archers and spear chunkers in the back of thier boats which is not the same wall you have seen utilized by other nations of the time.

Really? So you're saying, that if if several hundred pieces of buckshot came firing at the Vikings, they wouldn't be in the least bit frightened? Or if several pieces of meatal came flying towards them after several loud cracks, and these projectiles ripped one of them in half, they would just soldier on? Cannons are not just some "little boom" as you described, they are weapons of mass destruction. They would have no idea what was happening to them, and they would have no idea what was killing so many of them. To suggest that cannons are not intimidating, especially to people who have NEVER come in contact with them, is not logical.

[Meliva]

pretty sure the Vikings would be able to figure out what was killing them would probably be the big metal object making loud sounds and smoke a few men are standing next to that coincidentally started making said sounds and smoke around the same time they started dying. Not exactly a hard thing to figure out. Then once they figured that out, they would probably then rush said cannon and butcher the men manning it. And depending on distance, and how good a crew was manning it the crew might be able to shoot out a second, maybe a 3rd shot. Definitely no more then 4.

[Jack Teach]

pretty sure the Vikings would be able to figure out what was killing them would probably be the big metal object making loud sounds and smoke a few men are standing next to that coincidentally started making said sounds and smoke around the same time they started dying. Not exactly a hard thing to figure out. Then once they figured that out, they would probably then rush said cannon and butcher the men manning it. And depending on distance, and how good a crew was manning it the crew might be able to shoot out a second, maybe a 3rd shot. Definitely no more then 4.

Firstly if it's on a ship, they can't rush them, and secondly, by the time they would have they figured it out they'd be dead. Also, it's impossible to suggest that such a primitive people would react to something so deadly as a cannonball ripimg them and their ship apart with such confidence. I personally think they'd be too shocked to do much at that point. They may have been smart for their time, but they'd be too dumbfounded to understand what was happening.

[Dmanwuzhere]

First you are falsely assuming that in a battle skirmish or conflict vikings would be standing still I believe you are thinking of sheep.
If there was ill will from a force of vikings you would know it by actions also vikings were known for odd fighting styles(for the time) cunning and sneak attacks were not considered cowardly and if a duel was offered it was perfectly fine during that duel to whip out a throwing weapon and send it flying.
The very fact you find a bunch of pirates being god like to any civilization is asinine.
Especially to a war seasoned people like vikings.
I think you are way off base and your lack of appreciation of that society is your issue but unrealistic portrayals in your idea of how they would behave shows true cowardice with the inability to assimilate a true picture just out of your prejudiced ignorance.
Indians on a scale went from peaceful artisans and hunters to fierce woodland and plains guerilla fighters and none of them just quit because a noise boomed and people died.
If indians who were more peaceful in general than vikings were not scared of booms and death en masse what in the hell makes you think a people who derived a large portion of their wealth through war would run in fear from death?

[Dmanwuzhere]

The dog Garm barks from its den at the top of the mountain.
The Midgard Serpent makes the waves rise.
Thats how vikings thought of earthquakes and volcanoes.


Loki has sharted his breeches and must be cleansed.

Lost and confused pirates trespassing must die

[Jack Teach]

First you are falsely assuming that in a battle skirmish or conflict vikings would be standing still I believe you are thinking of sheep.
If there was ill will from a force of vikings you would know it by actions also vikings were known for odd fighting styles(for the time) cunning and sneak attacks were not considered cowardly and if a duel was offered it was perfectly fine during that duel to whip out a throwing weapon and send it flying.
The very fact you find a bunch of pirates being god like to any civilization is asinine.
Especially to a war seasoned people like vikings.
I think you are way off base and your lack of appreciation of that society is your issue but unrealistic portrayals in your idea of how they would behave shows true cowardice with the inability to assimilate a true picture just out of your prejudiced ignorance.
Indians on a scale went from peaceful artisans and hunters to fierce woodland and plains guerilla fighters and none of them just quit because a noise boomed and people died.
If indians who were more peaceful in general than vikings were not scared of booms and death en masse what in the hell makes you think a people who derived a large portion of their wealth through war would run in fear from death?

Never said they wouldn't be moving, it's just on a ship, there's not much moving to be done. Your ad hominem attacks are again proving your lack of logic my friend. Vikings were an exceedingly dangerous, well, trained, and bloodthirsty group of people. I'm simply saying, that if a pirate ship sails up a good distance away and fires a broadside, the Vikings couldn't do much about it. Do you think the Indians were just COMPLETELY alright when they're first found out guns existed? No. Also, Vikings were not a civilization, they were a specific group of people sent out by a civilization to raid things. I think we both have biases here, but you calling me ignorant and for some reason prejudiced is proves that you can't handle people disagreeing with you. Exactly how the hell have I been prejudiced? Pirates would not be "gods" to Vikings, but pirates have superior technology and were sometimes just as vicious, that's why I think in a naval battle, pirates would win.

[Jack Teach]

The dog Garm barks from its den at the top of the mountain.
The Midgard Serpent makes the waves rise.
Thats how vikings thought of earthquakes and volcanoes.


Loki has sharted his breeches and must be cleansed.

Lost and confused pirates trespassing must die

I think you're ignorant of the fact that pirates had a crap ton of waritime experience as well. Stop being so triggered by everything.

[Meliva]

pretty sure the Vikings would be able to figure out what was killing them would probably be the big metal object making loud sounds and smoke a few men are standing next to that coincidentally started making said sounds and smoke around the same time they started dying. Not exactly a hard thing to figure out. Then once they figured that out, they would probably then rush said cannon and butcher the men manning it. And depending on distance, and how good a crew was manning it the crew might be able to shoot out a second, maybe a 3rd shot. Definitely no more then 4.

Firstly if it's on a ship, they can't rush them, and secondly, by the time they would have they figured it out they'd be dead. Also, it's impossible to suggest that such a primitive people would react to something so deadly as a cannonball ripimg them and their ship apart with such confidence. I personally think they'd be too shocked to do much at that point. They may have been smart for their time, but they'd be too dumbfounded to understand what was happening.

If its on a bloody ship, then they would know where it was coming from instantly-the other bloody ship-ESPECIALLY when they hear the sound coming from the ship, see the smoke from the ship and see the men on the ship interacting with the cannons. So they would figure it out more or less instantly after the first shot. And this is assuming they were not already heading to the pirate ship to board and pillage it. And again, vikings had the belief that if they are to die they WILL die-whether they run or fight. So like most people, if your dead no matter what, why not go down fighting. And survival instints would prevent the mfrom just doing nothing. If a 25 foot tall purple 5 armed alien came down and ate my brother i would be incredibly shocked, but I wouldn't stay that way for long, especially when i think its coming for me next-im either going to try to run away, or go down trying to kill my attacker-basic survival instincts.