Fame earnings through gold earnings

[Captain Jack]

The market fee actually is 6% now that I think of it again, as it is 3% on sale and 3% on buy. Plus the duke bonus on sale.

In a flat example, lets say I trade 100 gold bars as a Duke.

I sell 100 Gold Bars: 2910*1.025*100= 298,275 gc at the pocket
I buy 100 Gold Bars: 3090*100 = 309,000 paid

So, for 10,725 gold coins I earn 3090 Fame Points
Or 1M for 309k

[Captain dungeness]

We make it -Fame Loss: (10% of total Fame) / (Number of Ships owned by loser/5)
This way we eliminate the 1-ship fleets for this issue alone.

This fixes the 1-ship fleet problem but I still think the formula will create undesirable results related to very small fame rewards after successful plunders.

Regarding the Gold Bars issue, it is an issue related with Gold Bars mostly and a solution for the Gold Bars instead should be found. A way would be to increase the market fee. We need to think this one more perhaps.

Sounds alright to me.

[Captain Jack]

Perhaps we can make it 1 Fame for every 1000 Gold coins spent. I think it is better than raising the market fee. In this case a SoL though would return 17k fame but perhaps it is more fair in par with the current battle fame returns.

What do you think?

[Captain dungeness]

Perhaps we can make it 1 Fame for every 1000 Gold coins spent. I think it is better than raising the market fee. In this case a SoL though would return 17k fame but perhaps it is more fair in par with the current battle fame returns.

What do you think?

Interesting... I think all these changes would make for smaller changes in fame but this is a good thing because people are already reaching 28M fame and if fame is allowed to inflate we will get even more outrageous numbers. I like the idea of 1000 gold per 1 fame. It will mean the Party Cards cannot be used without gaining fame because every investment you make with your gold is going to give you fame as you spend it.

[Jessy's Dream]

Tax payments cost 10% to redistribute. This means that for 10M gold, 9M can be given back. So in this case, 1M gold will return 309k (for the 1 fame per 1000 gold spent formula).

Worse can happen with Payments where the fees can be as low as 1% to nation, 0% to bank and 0.02% to corruption for a total tweaked fee (due to treasury control) of 0.12% or 1 gold coin per 1000 (or 1 to 1 fame to gold exchange ratio).

Therefore Payments and Taxes will NOT be included.

[Captain Jack]

28M fame is outrageous with the new formula. Existing voodoo % cards will help in bringing this into a reality scenario though, so it is not a problem.

Regarding party cards, since they are constantly mentioned. A party card requires resources in order to work. These resources need to be bought. So, for 200k crates of Tobacco, the owner must pay about 1.8M which will result in 18k Fame.

Can someone do the calculations with the new battle formula? How many attacks are needed before this same person can enter protection at 25 fame? Please give results for 100 ships, 200 ships, 500 ships and 1000 ships.

Then, if you can,provide same results but for protection limit of 100 fame as we would prefer this limit in the future.

[Most Lee Harmless]

fame spread is an issue.. for those at the top end of the scale the skirmish function will be pretty meaningless, once you factor out guild-mates from the small list of potential targets : kinda skews thing the other way as well, most of the top 20 can only really hit 2 others not in their guild... as one of the 2.. that's a kinda loaded equation...

[Captain Jack]

Don't worry too much about current situation. We will take stepts to balance it later if it does not itself. Surely, some modifications will be needed. For example, Romance fame(reduce fame), King fame(reduce fame) and Politician Speech (reduce turn cost) will all need modifications.

[Captain Jack]

With a rough calculation, if someone has 18k fame (based on the party card scenario above) he will need about 2600 attacks to enter the limit (if he has 200 ships, if he has 1000 ships, make this a lot higher). Which means the the fame protection will no longer be an issue, at all.

[Captain dungeness]

Can someone do the calculations with the new battle formula? How many attacks are needed before this same person can enter protection at 25 fame? Please give results for 100 ships, 200 ships, 500 ships and 1000 ships.

Then, if you can,provide same results but for protection limit of 100 fame as we would prefer this limit in the future.

Here come lots of numbers:

Fame Loss= (10% of total Fame) / (Number of Ships owned by loser/5)

Starting with 1M fame:
100 ships: 1839 plunders to reach 100 fame, 2115 plunders to reach 25 fame
200 ships: 3681 plunders to reach 100 fame, TOO MANY plunders to reach 25 fame...

Starting with 500k fame:
100 ships: 1701 plunders to reach 100 fame, 1977 plunders to reach 25 fame
200 ships: 3404 plunders to reach 100 fame, TOO MANY...

Starting with 50k fame:
100 ships: 1241 plunders to reach 100 fame, 1518 plunders to reach 25 fame
200 ships: 2484 plunders to reach 100 fame, TOO MANY...

Starting with 200 fame!
100 ships: 140 plunders to reach 100 fame, 416 plunders to reach 25 fame
200 ships: 278 plunders to reach 100 fame, 832 plunders to reach 25 fame
500 ships: 694 plunders to reach 100 fame, 2080 plunders to reach 25 fame
1345 ships:1866 plunders to reach 100 fame, 6000? plunders to reach 25 fame