same old stan

[Leo]

Chauvin's trial was historic in that it's one of the first times a cop has gotten a murder charge for this kind of thing. Unfortunately, there are hundreds of cases just like it where the cop was found not guilty and went back to work the next day without even getting a suspension. I suspect the verdict was partially due to the riots. The judge and jury knew that if he was found not guilty there would be more riots. Does that make for a fair trial? No, definitely not. But it does mean the riots were perfectly effective. Exactly what the protestors and rioters alike were calling for is exactly what happened. Sometimes actions speak louder than words.

[Meliva]

Cool. So if I get upset over something, and decide to burn your house down in a riot, you will support my action? Actions speak louder than words, maybe burning your house down will get the result I want. You fine with that? If not, don't try to justify rioting as an action. Real freaking easy to approve of something bad happening if it gets what you want,and doesn't hurt you directly. It is almost never justified to riot. Certainly wasn't justified over floyd's death.

Tell me have you looked up what kind of man Floyd was? The horrible things he did? Sorry, but I won't shed any tears over the guy dying. Frankly, probably better off with him gone-the man literally threatened to shoot a pregnant woman's baby that was still in her womb. And you're here trying to justify rioting-burning down and destroying crap, that had NOTHING to do with any of it over the death of a man who was a complete scumbag? People who had their businesses burned and robbed, who had nothing to do with it period, and you're saying that crap was "effective" instead of calling it horrible and wrong. Are you really that insane? The hell is wrong with you? This is part of what's so wrong nowadays. People like you, try to justify or excuse horrible evil actions if you think it ends with a result you agree with.

Hundreds of cases. In a nation of hundreds of millions. That's a pretty good rate. Would it be better if it was zero? Sure. Just like it would be better if everyone had their own mansion, unlimited food, super robots that did all the chores, etc. But that's not possible. So we take the best we can get.

Hell, I can at least admit the cop used excessive force. But you can't even say that the rioting wasn't right? That it was effective? If a riot ever ends up harming you, I hope you remember your words here and don't go crying to the police or internet about it.

[Leo]

Because the cops are supposed to follow the law meliva. How can they enforce it if they won't even follow it themselves? The issue isn't that it was Floyd specifically that was killed, it was the fact that the cops took the liberty of doing it themselves. No matter who it was, could be the Pope or it could be Hitler, I don't care. It doesn't matter if they "deserve to die", it's not the cop's job or right to do that. The riots were over the fact that it resembled a lynching, bringing us 100 years into the past when that kind of thing was considered acceptable. Oh noes some targets and Walmarts got burned down!! Their insurance surely didn't cover it or anything. And if not it was a small chip out of their multi billion dollar pockets. I don't really care. I didn't take part in the rioting and I never would have over such a cause. But it certainly was effective, wasn't it? Had it not been for the riots chauvin most likely would've gotten acquitted and gone back to work, just like every other cop. The world has never made any progress by holding up signs and saying corny phrases and hoping that the big guys pay attention to us. We'd still be a part of Brittain if that was the case

[Meliva]

you really think it was just the big multi-billion dollar companies that were burned down? Are you really that naive? Were you stricken blind, deaf and dumb during the whole affair, or did you just not even bother to look at all the damages done. There were small businesses destroyed, vehicles smashed and burned, and you STILL want to justify this sh*t. How are you this ignorant?

As for the cops, yes, they're supposed to follow the law. Guess what buddy? They're human. Not robots. They are flawed beings, who can make mistakes, lose their cool, or just be corrupt. If you think it's possible to make a system where people with power can never abuse it, then you really are either insane, naive, or just plain stupid. Best we can do, is try to hold them accountable for when they do mess up. But that doesn't justify anyone damaging anything that isn't theirs if it doesn't happen. If we riot everytime something we don't like happens, we'll be living in ruins. You might be fine with that, but I sure as hell aint.

Also, do you not realize how insurance even works or what effects rioting has on a community? Have you ever stopped to actually consider it? Here let me try to break this down so that even you can hopefully understand.

If a certain area, keeps burning down, destroying, and stealing from the local businesses, the insurance companies will start raising rates. More money will be spent on trying to secure the products as the business doesn't want to keep using insurance so they use prevention loss techniques like locking things up, or using stronger glass this makes the prices go up. If this keeps happening, the businesses will close their stores, and leave as it's not profitable being in an area where the locals act like animals and not people. Now, can you guess what happens to a community, when businesses decide it's not worth it to stick around and no one starts a new one because if they do, it's gonna get robbed and burned down? Unemployment goes up. Buying goods and services becomes harder as you now have to travel farther. This crap is literally happening in Chicago.

So good job, by burning down your local community, some cop you never met, who killed some guy you never knew, in a city you don't live in, was arrested and it's possible your rioting may have helped make sure that happens! Enjoy living in a dung heap with no local businesses, super expensive insurance, and enjoy your poverty. Hope it was worth it.

And don't give me that peaceful protest doesn't work crap. What have you never heard of Ghandi, or Martin Luther King Jr. They made tremendous progress and didn't resort to violence. You are living proof that the department of education was worthless. Claiming that peaceful protests never made any progress. You are living in a bubble if you really think that.

[Leo]

I think you forget that I lived in Minneapolis at the time. 99% of the damage done was to corporate property or to the police stations themselves. Most small businesses went untouched, although many ended up shutting down either out of fear of their business getting destroyed or because people stopped visiting the area. Meanwhile the police that live in the distant suburbs cruised through the neighborhood and trigger-happily shot everything that moved with rubber bullets. There was a 65-year old woman that was sitting on her porch and got shot in the eye by the police and went blind. No, it wasn't a missfire or crossfire. It was almost a mile away from the riot sites. After about 6 months things in the area returned to normal. It was never exactly a beautiful blooming community but rather a haven for crackheads and homeless people, but sure enough, it returned to exactly that in no time. There really haven't been lasting effects of the riots on the area. Even the targets and walmarts that got looted or burned are still there to this day. Obviously the riots weren't pretty. But it is what it is. No one in the area that I talked to really cared that it was happening, but were actually more scared of the police over-reacting and hurting people who weren't taking any part in the destruction.

Now, I should also mention, for as many rioters as there were, it's strange that no one knows who they are. You'd think that since I lived in the community where most of them happened, I'd have a friend of a friend of a friend who knew a guy who rioted. Nada. No one. No one I knows anyone that took part either. Maybe it's a coincidence, it's also possible that people came from out of state to riot here. Which is much worse if you ask me. They come into a community they don't live in and tear it up, likely for nefarious purposes like starting a race war or making the legitimate protestors look bad. At least if you riot in your own community you are the one that gets to live with the damage done.

[Meliva]

Leo. Google is a thing you know. I just googled it. A lot of areas that were damaged were not just giant corporate crap. You also realize fire was used, and do you know what fire tends to do? It spreads If you went and set your neigbors house on fire, do you think the fire will magically stay there and not burn your place as well? Schools were damaged, churches, small businesses.

Also Leo, if you went and committed a crime, would you think it a good idea to go around and blabbing about it? You probably do know people who went and rioted. They probably just are not stupid enough to go and admit to it for no reason. Why would they want to tell you "hey leo, I went and tossed a molotov at the police station, isn't that so awesome!" I'm sure plenty of people know who went and rioted as well, but odds are, they don't wanna snitch on family and friends. Now, I won't deny some folks were probably from outta town who went to riot. But you can't truly believe, it's the majority. That is just, so insanely delusional.

Also do you not see the own problem in your statement. You call it a haven for crackheads and homeless people. It's already a trash neighborhood, that's why so many people didn't care about the riots there. If you're happy living in a pile of crap, fine, good for you, but don't go flinging crap in other neighborhoods thinking we all should live in crap, and don't tell other people that they shouldn't complain about people dragging crap into their homes.

This is why gated communities are a thing. Too many people like you act like it's fine for people to behave no better then a wild animal and don't give a rat's arse about how their community is doing. The walmarts and targets are still there. Okay. How many local businesses were wiped out though. Do you think those stores will still stick around if more riots keep happening. There's a breaking point Leo. Big corpos have a higher one then small businesses, but you hurt them enough, they'll leave.

This is why a lot of big cities are turning to garbage. Too soft on crime, too many people trying to justify evil and stupid actions, or just don't seem to care when literal riots happen. Do you really not see what is wrong with this mindset Leo? You keep blabbing on and on about the elites, and the big corpos, but you seem completely blind and deaf to the problems caused by the common people around you. Tearing crap up won't help you it hurts you. Burning crap down won't help you it hurts you. Excusing those actions make them happen more often, which hurts you.

[Dmanwuzhere]

[Lil Lola]

I love that song!!

[Dmanwuzhere]

i had to add another lol might add one more

[Lachlan]

Frankly, Covid was just one giant debacle and really made tons of governments just look awful. It's still around, so they didn't eradicate it, it's nowhere near as bad as they made it out to be, and that vaccine they rushed out, doesn't even work-least not that well.

I got the vaccine. Got the boosters. Still got covid. Was like a nasty sickness, ruined my appetite and was very unpleasant. But i've gotten sicker from food poisoning.

The reaction of trying to basically shut down and isolate all of society, over it, was just insane. That vaccine they rushed also didn't work that well, least not for me. By far the worst part though, was so many officials broke their own damn rules about isolating. I recall several who still went to protests, or went to non-essential shops while everyone else had to s**k it up and stay locked up.

All this will make it where the next time a pandemic hits, a lotta people are gonna be very skeptical and hesitant about listening to the government after this whole clown show.

Vaccines reduce the chance that you will get the actual disease and also makes it so when you do get it, then it isn't as bad because your immune system has sort of prepared itself (essentially like if you got a practice round before an actual fight).
As for those politicians I don't think very many of those politicians were reelected at whatever next election they had to run for.