Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

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Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby Sir Henry Morgan » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:45 pm

Be it known, I have no ill will for Big Tea himself, but his actions. He has caused difficulty for his nation, his guild and others in Avonmora.

For well over 60 days, Tokelau and her King have worked very diligently to protect and maintain Big Tea; Hired Diplomats were used to reduce his hostility to keep him as a Duke and Citizen of Tokelau. While his bank is an asset to our nation, he has gone ashore, leaving his bank and his enterprise adrift.

He accepted well over 1B in disbursements from our treasury to build his bank - a program we offer to all the council - which he eagerly built a Level 20 Bank. He raIsed over 1000 ships to trade, and then abandoned them, thus his tax debt to Tokelau began to grow. His hostility toward our nation began to grow.

In the interest of Tokelau and Avonmora, I say - No More.

Tokelau has paid considerably for Big Tea's fleets and enterprise. Therefore, by all rights, the nation of Tokelau forthwith can and will do with his assets and enterprise as she sees fit. I therefore declare Big Tea an Enemy of the Crown, and Tokelau can and will plunder, destroy or salvage his assets, to recover what little we can in resource and satisfaction for our nation's efforts to sustain him. The Governors and myself, along with Mr. Tom Lowe, have initiated the first wave, to great success.

Upon doing so, I have noted that his guild, The Brethren, have now expended resource to save what is now left of Big Tea's assets, as he be a member of their own guild. While they now face what they have presented to other guilds in Avonmora, our issue is with Big Tea, not his guild. No guild or nation should have to endure such losses in a losing proposition.

I have ordered Tokelau to now stand down - a cease fire. This will provide VUDU a window of time to consider their efforts to rescue Big Tea, a bloke with considerable talent and wealth, but who has abandoned his enterprise, his guild and his nation. They too, should have the opportunity to recoup some of their losses , or at least obtain some satisfaction for their efforts to save a guild mate who has abandoned them as well.

As for Big Tea's bank, let Avonmora know that Tokelau will no longer struggle to keep it open. Unless Big Tea returns, he shall soon go pirate and his bank will close. It's only benefit to Tokelau was for Tokelau's charter banks, a benefit we will forego as it be a waste of resource and effort for our nation.

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Long live the Brethren!
Long live Avonmora!

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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby Grimrock Litless » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:04 pm

Makes sense, I thought it was weird that he doesn't seem online anymore but his assets are still being kept stable.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:15 pm

Vudu is a group in which each member follows their own interest that being said Vudu did not invest in a defense I did.
So that other members could also choose to be involved or not for past expenditures involving his defense.
If they want to recoup that I felt they should have the right.

His finances I am not privy to, nor do I need to be.
I can only attest to the fact he bought ships with gold purchased through expenditures of capital through the bank of the foreign Americas.
But I do agree debts are to be paid and all that are owed should be able to choose in the participation to recoup such debts.

That is all I will say as I am no spokesman for anyone but myself.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby DezNutz » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:44 pm

Why declare him an enemy of the crown? If you are no longer supporting him and preventing his hostility gain, he will eventually gain enough hostility to be booted (as you have already stated) Why prolong the inevitable, he is well past 30 days inactive, just deport him.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby Sir Henry Morgan » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:12 pm

That be a good question; here be the answer:

1) Even today, Big Tea can not be put up for a vote to deport from Tokelau. His rank and influence seem to protect him greatly in this matter.
2) Not everyone reads the forums as a habit. By declaring him an Enemy of the State, the event creates unique attention throughout Avonmora. Thus, more will be aware his bank will most likely be closing very soon. Once known, those who have deposits there have an opportunity to move them before the bank closes.
3) On the same point, various friends and contacts of Big Tea may be able to contact him to return as was my impression for the last two months. Such an action might warrant a response from him.
4.) Declaring him an Enemy of the Crown re-enforces the point that this be a nation issue, not a guild issue, when we plundered his fleets.
5.) Declaring him an Enemy of the Crown provided a precise moment we could control the timing of our attack rather than waiting for hostility points to turn him pirate to determine that time.

Be it right, wrong or indifferent, that be the reason I chose to declare him an Enemy of the Crown.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby DezNutz » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:14 pm

Sir Henry Morgan wrote:That be a good question; here be the answer:

1) Even today, Big Tea can not be put up for a vote to deport from Tokelau. His rank and influence seem to protect him greatly in this matter.
2) Not everyone reads the forums as a habit. By declaring him an Enemy of the State, the event creates unique attention throughout Avonmora. Thus, more will be aware his bank will most likely be closing very soon. Once known, those who have deposits there have an opportunity to move them before the bank closes.
3) On the same point, various friends and contacts of Big Tea may be able to contact him to return as was my impression for the last two months. Such an action might warrant a response from him.
4.) Declaring him an Enemy of the Crown re-enforces the point that this be a nation issue, not a guild issue, when we plundered his fleets.
5.) Declaring him an Enemy of the Crown provided a precise moment we could control the timing of our attack rather than waiting for hostility points to turn him pirate to determine that time.

Be it right, wrong or indifferent, that be the reason I chose to declare him an Enemy of the Crown.



Fair.

Unless the game has made changes to deportations, I disagree with your first point unless you (Tokelau) are choosing not to deport. Influence and Title (Rank) have no bearing in deportation, only inactivity matters. Case and Point. I initiated the deportation on Rothschild from the USA post ban. At the time he was still a Duke and still had 1M+ influence.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby Sir Henry Morgan » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:34 pm

Well, mate, there be many ways to do the same thing - at the moment, we still cannot deport Big Tea for one reason or another, as we are not being provided the option to put it up to a vote. My guess is he may have checked in, did nothing, and left then, which is even more discouraging. Our hope was that he was going to return, and eventually, we grew tired of waiting for him.

Hind sight is always 20/20, and I am sorry we didn't handle the way you would have. Big Tea and Tokelau have made their moves, and now we must deal with whatever comes from this moment forward.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby sXs » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:41 pm

Sir Henry Morgan wrote:Well, mate, there be many ways to do the same thing - at the moment, we still cannot deport Big Tea for one reason or another, as we are not being provided the option to put it up to a vote. My guess is he may have checked in, did nothing, and left then, which is even more discouraging. Our hope was that he was going to return, and eventually, we grew tired of waiting for him.

Hind sight is always 20/20, and I am sorry we didn't handle the way you would have. Big Tea and Tokelau have made their moves, and now we must deal with whatever comes from this moment forward.



This is a question for CJ then. My understanding of the deportation mechanics would say he should be able to be deported based on "last active".

I have no issue with TOK taking actions to recoup any outstanding debts, but it should have been dealt with differently.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby DezNutz » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:54 pm

Sir Henry Morgan wrote:Well, mate, there be many ways to do the same thing - at the moment, we still cannot deport Big Tea for one reason or another, as we are not being provided the option to put it up to a vote. My guess is he may have checked in, did nothing, and left then, which is even more discouraging. Our hope was that he was going to return, and eventually, we grew tired of waiting for him.

Hind sight is always 20/20, and I am sorry we didn't handle the way you would have. Big Tea and Tokelau have made their moves, and now we must deal with whatever comes from this moment forward.


Sorry, I did not mean for it to be taken as "well you should of done this". I only questioned because the information provided and the stated actions didn't make complete logical sense. I provided my experiences only as a reference, but as I know understand that the option is for some reason not available (recent log in or whatever the case be), I understand the path that Tokelau has taken with using EotC.
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Re: Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:05 pm

My experience in Mexico during/after the Fox incursion was that nation rank atttained and period it was held also afffects deportation vote proposals and its not just a straight 30days absence and it can be done.
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