same old stan

[Lil Lola]

Gender idealogy is not moderate left
speech being criminal is not moderate left
news being run by the government is not moderate left
freezing bank accounts of protestors is not moderate left
he is def far left in our America

in fact I would bet he's the most far left Canada has ever had except for his daddy


A growing number of Liberal members of parliament have been calling for Trudeau to step down as the prime minister's popularity continues to decline. Polling suggests that Trudeau would likely be swept out of power in the next election by the opposition Conservative Party. ^newsweek

He is correct in this Leo. I am moderate and sometimes lean right. Our moderates are being held hostage by young ideologues who are still coming into their own. They have been pounding the alarm because of well they are immature and jump on the bandwagon of whatever controversy because they see some TikTok influencer whether political or not doing a short clip which catches like wildfire. Before that was Twitter now know as X. and just go full-steam without thought of what it is they are stumping for. but they think it’s the right think to do. Emotional manipulation. I am just telling you what I see in the fault on the democratic side.

[Leo]

Gender idealogy is not moderate left
speech being criminal is not moderate left
news being run by the government is not moderate left
freezing bank accounts of protestors is not moderate left
he is def far left in our America

in fact I would bet he's the most far left Canada has ever had except for his daddy


A growing number of Liberal members of parliament have been calling for Trudeau to step down as the prime minister's popularity continues to decline. Polling suggests that Trudeau would likely be swept out of power in the next election by the opposition Conservative Party. ^newsweek

He is correct in this Leo. I am moderate and sometimes lean right. Our moderates are being held hostage by young ideologues who are still coming into their own. They have been pounding the alarm because of well they are immature and jump on the bandwagon of whatever controversy because they see some TikTok influencer whether political or not doing a short clip which catches like wildfire. Before that was Twitter now know as X. and just go full-steam without thought of what it is they are stumping for. but they think it’s the right think to do. Emotional manipulation. I am just telling you what I see in the fault on the democratic side.

Moderates are the "ehh it's not so bad" political stance. The do nothings. The s**k it up to billionaires. Even when it gets bad, moderates say the radicals are just being dramatic. When does it get bad enough to get off your ass and get some real change? Because of moderates we've been juggling back and forth between the same issues over and over for the past 60 years. The cost of living is increasing exponentially while the median income isn't. The gap between poor and rich is also increasing. Most of the moderate politicians hold stake in the corporations they defend and allow to continue to oppress us.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Elon has dismantled numerous agencies that were previously investigating his companies. Conflict of interest? Meanwhile he has contracts with the federal government that make himself money. If he cared about actually saving Americans money his contracts would be the first to go, as well as missile money for Israel which most Americans don't support. Speaking of which, being anti-Israel doesn't make you pro Hamas or anti-Semitic, despite what the Israeli government and most politicians would like you to believe. Universities are expelling students just for protesting it. NOT violently. That is censorship. You could say "they're a private organization they can do whatever they want". Yes, but then the same should be said for social media companies that censor the right. The key is understanding there are bad people on all sides, which is why the whole idea of sides is so stupid. The vast majority of politicians are corrupt and the vast majority of bills proposed by them are to give them profit in some way

I notice the word probably which is not a word to use when presenting facts and your assumption is wrong. Elon passed so much scrutiny to get his clearance for the systems he is in contractual servitude with the government.

There, to date, has been no conflict of interest ... this comes with a very easy proof standard and yet its not been met.

As for his contracts, you are aware most were negotiated during the left's presidency... right? Some go all the way back to 2002
The problem with a good entrepreneur if you are their opposition is they tend to make themselves more valuable by providing services others cant
or cant match in price negotiations.
Musk has done that very well. So well in fact to steal millions from our government would be silly considering he couldn't steal anywhere near the amount he stands to make legitimately off all his companies which are hard to compete with.

Musks weapon contracts were negotiated well before the Israeli conflict and do not specifically tie into it.

You are certainly for Israel or Hamas, the Palestinians voted Hamas into power and support Hamas ergo supporting Palenstine is supporting Hamas

I don't care, if I were Israeli and you killed my kids I would bomb you to obliteration if it was in my power. But I am crazy like that.
I certainly wouldn't be giving warnings of areas I would be hitting and I certainly wouldn't let aid in. You can get that when my children get it.

I don't keep up with Universities as each one will have a set of rules and codes of conduct and that's a waste of research.
You are more than welcome to research any such University make the claim that what they did was right or wrong case by case and Ill research to debate or confirm your allegations otherwise you can't clump the actions of universities into federal govt territory for accusations.

Online platforms receive federal protections concerning speech and posting of others' speech. Remove those protections and I will 100 percent agree they can act as they wish in censorship as they could be held liable for anything posted on the platform at that point.

As for corruption... of course its on both sides.... so you should be for any and all corruption pointed out by doge especially when it recovers funds or stops fraudulent funding

[Dmanwuzhere]

https://www.doge.gov/

Doge is cooler than libtards change my mind

[Leo]

You are certainly for Israel or Hamas, the Palestinians voted Hamas into power and support Hamas ergo supporting Palenstine is supporting Hamas

Hamas was voted in back in the early 2000s. Today, the majority of Palestinians were not yet able to vote or weren't even born when that election happened. The current citizens cannot be held responsible for the actions of their dictators. Israel and Palestine have had conflict long before Hamas existed. So yes, you can be anti-israel without being pro Hamas. You should see all the atrocities the IDF committed against Palestinians long before they had the excuse of "well they took hostages". Bombing hospitals and cutting off food and water supply is not "self-defense".

[Dmanwuzhere]

You are certainly for Israel or Hamas, the Palestinians voted Hamas into power and support Hamas ergo supporting Palenstine is supporting Hamas

Hamas was voted in back in the early 2000s. Today, the majority of Palestinians were not yet able to vote or weren't even born when that election happened. The current citizens cannot be held responsible for the actions of their dictators. Israel and Palestine have had conflict long before Hamas existed. So yes, you can be anti-israel without being pro Hamas. You should see all the atrocities the IDF committed against Palestinians long before they had the excuse of "well they took hostages". Bombing hospitals and cutting off food and water supply is not "self-defense".

This is why you bomb a hospital and withhold aid

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isra ... a-rcna1259
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-e ... -civilians

The Palestinians do not turn in Hamas nor do they fight them... they support them and fill their ranks with their families

Using your own failed logic you were not around for any IDF atrocities so you cant know about or speak on them.

Just out of curiosity what did the American hostages do to incur Hamas wrath... like the music at a concert?

More like well they took hostages after killing women children (some of both were raped as well) and men who were not military targets
The very fact you say well they took hostages is you trying to downplay and rationalize what got Palenstines azz kicked.

Good news you can travel there and protest Israel and join Hamas and defend them like you just did here


If you vote people into power with a charter like this I really have no sympathy when you get your azz kicked
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hamas-covenant-full-text

[Lil Lola]

No Leo Moderates are the ones keeping this shit together. What the left misunderstood is that you can not force people to bend to your ideals. We live with people who do not share our opinions but have always tried to come to a middle ground. That was not good enough. You forced the hand and now any agreements are off the table. Congrats everything you wanted is now gone. Oh well.

[Lachlan]

I don't really think DOGE is beneficial for the government. Yes they are cutting staff and costs but I don't think many of them know what they are doing and they are firing too many people too fast. I don't think outsiders like DOGE really know or understand how many people are essential in government departments vs who should be fired and are making rushed decisions that in some cases are not well informed.

As for Israelis' and Palestinians I think both sides are wrong. On the one hand you have HAMAS which act like terrorists, took hostages and slaughtered civilian Israelis and foreigners indiscriminately. On the other hand you have Isreal who for years blockaded Gaza from essentials like food, water and medical aid as well as desecrated mosques. There is no right side in a war like that. Historically most of the previous wars between Isreal and Palestinians have been the Palestinians fault as the Israeli's tried to make peace with them several times. This latest war however is mostly Israel's fault. Keeping a population starving and thirsty usually does not make people feel very charitable towards you. Because of this and historical grievances on both sides this is why some Palestinians still support Hamas and why Israel at times has been somewhat genocidal.

Unlike with Ukraine and Russia there is not a better or morally good side.

[Meliva]

Leo, moderates are the ones with sense. Moderation is in my opinion, key to just about everything. You can't have a society with no rules or laws, as that's anarchy, and is bad for quite a few reasons. Too many rules and laws, you have a authoritarian/fascist where you only can do what your government says, nothing more, nothing less or be punished.

I am of the opinion, that everything is bad when taken to extremes, and you need to have moderation to make things good. Too much freedom means you're free to murder or force yourself onto your neighbor, too little freedom you're a prisoner. Too much focus spent on helping others, you leave yourself in a bad state. Too much food, you get fat, too little, you starve. Too much water your drown or die, too little you die. Too nice? People take advantage of you. Too mean, people hate you and try to get rid of you.

As to you lachlan, I won't deny that both sides have done things that are bad in the israel Palestine conflicts. That's war though. Bad things happen. The palestinians took hostages, and hide behind civilians. They seek to wipe Israel off the map. Israel may do bad things, but it's for self preservation. hamas does it simply to wipe out people they hate. One is far worse then the other.

Think of it like this. Imagine you're walking with your family one day, and some lunatic starts rushing at you from down the street with a knife, and has taped babies all over himself. He yells he's gonna gut you, and your whole family then the rest of the neighborhood, thankfully you have a gun. Tell me, would you shoot him, knowing that you'll very likely kill a baby or two in the process, or let him commit a massacre. It's a horrid situation, but many cowardly people will hide behind innocents while they do evil things. because evil people know good people will hesitate, and try to avoid hitting them full force if they use a innocent as a shield.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I don't really think DOGE is beneficial for the government. Yes they are cutting staff and costs but I don't think many of them know what they are doing and they are firing too many people too fast. I don't think outsiders like DOGE really know or understand how many people are essential in government departments vs who should be fired and are making rushed decisions that in some cases are not well informed.

As for Israelis' and Palestinians I think both sides are wrong. On the one hand you have HAMAS which act like terrorists, took hostages and slaughtered civilian Israelis and foreigners indiscriminately. On the other hand you have Isreal who for years blockaded Gaza from essentials like food, water and medical aid as well as desecrated mosques. There is no right side in a war like that. Historically most of the previous wars between Isreal and Palestinians have been the Palestinians fault as the Israeli's tried to make peace with them several times. This latest war however is mostly Israel's fault. Keeping a population starving and thirsty usually does not make people feel very charitable towards you. Because of this and historical grievances on both sides this is why some Palestinians still support Hamas and why Israel at times has been somewhat genocidal.

Unlike with Ukraine and Russia there is not a better or morally good side.

lol doge isn't firing anyone they report to the president all resulting actions are from the president and his staff. the firings come from the respective agencies' heads

yall seriously crack me up with yalls talking points