Using a proxy to cast voodoo? Action to condemn

[Shadowood]

Someone called Pro to avoid promised retaliation towards VUDU. Just my two cents. i have been playing this game for a while. I was in VUDU. I know what stinks and what doesnt. This stinks. However , having no proof of any of it makes this whole thread a pointless waste of time.

I was not involved in any of this so I am watching this with a range of mixed emotions...

- Its no secret that PRO and DMAN are friends. They have played together for awhile now. They have both been suspected of Multi-Accounts and reported several times. I believe but cannot confirm that CJ looked into this and cleared them both to play.
- Not sure what "promised retaliation" means... Did Sparrow promise to hit someone back. That someone had PRO cast for them? I really am clueless as to what transpired here.
- If someone (DMAN?) did ask PRO to cast, wouldn't said "promised retaliation" still take place? I would think it would. Since some members of VUDU hit Sparrow after the casts. (FENIKS, DMAN, BANGER)
- Black Sparrow is one tough dude. He gets hit maybe once or twice a year. Because he is a badass. You cast on him, he casts 4x back. So I know this thread is not him complaining that he simply got lit up. Cause this is a pirate game. Everyone gets lit up from time to time. Some more then others. This is not you complaining... right?
- So if the HN's came from one of the people who attacked, Feniks, Dman or Banger then this topic would not exsist right?
- We are only speaking about Proxy players or just xPROx and his relationship to DMAN?

[Lefty]

Someone called Pro to avoid promised retaliation towards VUDU. Just my two cents. i have been playing this game for a while. I was in VUDU. I know what stinks and what doesnt. This stinks. However , having no proof of any of it makes this whole thread a pointless waste of time.

I was not involved in any of this so I am watching this with a range of mixed emotions...

- Its no secret that PRO and DMAN are friends. They have played together for awhile now. They have both been suspected of Multi-Accounts and reported several times. I believe but cannot confirm that CJ looked into this and cleared them both to play.
- Not sure what "promised retaliation" means... Did Sparrow promise to hit someone back. That someone had PRO cast for them? I really am clueless as to what transpired here.
- If someone (DMAN?) did ask PRO to cast, wouldn't said "promised retaliation" still take place? I would think it would. Since some members of VUDU hit Sparrow after the casts. (FENIKS, DMAN, BANGER)
- Black Sparrow is one tough dude. He gets hit maybe once or twice a year. Because he is a badass. You cast on him, he casts 4x back. So I know this thread is not him complaining that he simply got lit up. Cause this is a pirate game. Everyone gets lit up from time to time. Some more then others. This is not you complaining... right?
- So if the HN's came from one of the people who attacked, Feniks, Dman or Banger then this topic would not exsist right?
- We are only speaking about Proxy players or just xPROx and his relationship to DMAN?

This stinks. However , having no proof of any of it makes this whole thread a pointless waste of time.

[sXs]

It seems there is a general consensus that Xprox attacks are not welcomed since he is a witch doctor and his attacks always seem to be followed by someone else’s. In some cases it is Taylor, or a VUDU member.

Not wanting to point a finger but there seems to be a recurring pattern

"Not wanting to point a finger"........ yet you pointed a finger.....

As I said in my previous statement. There are only so many coincidences. As time goes on, patterns will appear as PHX has stated. While patterns are not indicative of collaboration, it easy to draw conclusions from those patterns.

I was called out specifically here, so I have a right to argue this. I doubt there is a guild as active in Avonmora as VUDU. Hell I am on 16-18 hours a day. If I am at work, the game is on in the background. Notifications set. Coincidence that Banger and I are on when this happens? Seriously? We are almost always on.

The only pattern here is I need a life I guess.

[Shadowood]

For those that may think it coincidence that VUDU members are online at the same time...

[Shadowood]

This stinks. However , having no proof of any of it makes this whole thread a pointless waste of time.

ROFL Missed that

[DezNutz]

The fundamental basis of a proxy is not against the rules nor should it be. It is also not the true intention on this thread or debate.

The problem, is not playing your account to the fullest and being here only to act on behalf of another player/account.

Merc do it for payment and are in fact playing their accounts to the benefit of their accounts. The cases we discuss are quite the opposite and a clear milking/pushing violation is happening.

We are not allowed to give retirement gifts when leaving as that falls under pushing. This is exactly that, without assets actually changing hands.

Personally i do not see the difference. Proxy is proxy. Both are playing for other peoples benefit therefore it is a pushing scenario. If one is..... they both are.

Bounties are proxy game play. You are paid by another as a proxy to perform an action. MERC works the same except it isn't public knowledge. There is a difference between proxy game play and pushing. With pushing you are using an account to strengthen another at no benefit to yourself. Milking and Pushing are done to elevate others while no benefit comes to the account in question. Additionally those accounts are not played to their full potential, a key difference between proxy play and milking/pushing.

[DezNutz]

For those that may think it coincidence that VUDU members are online at the same time...

Looks like Bigtea is slacking.

[Captain Jack]

This issue has been investigated and resolved fully.

As for facts, summarized:

1.There was a recurring pattern as PhoenixKnight suggested.

2.There was not cooperation but heads up warnings from xprox to dman and occasionally from dman to others. Multiple times over a period of 2 months.

3.The warnings were about forthcoming spell ups. The spell up was the casting of 3xHostile Natives to a number of victims. Usually around 3-7.

4.The suspicions are justified; when you know a player is semi active and a good friend of the one gaining on the cast, it leaves no room for a random event. Especially when events are stringed together.

5.Besides Hostile Waters there is nothing else of note. There were a few personal wars of xProx that have not raised any concerns in regards to a grey area.

As for actual grey areas, summarized:

1.There is a grey area when you constantly rip the fruits of someone else's labor. Especially when this labor goes in vain and there are no returns for the one doing it.

2.There is a grey area when someone appears to attack you on behalf of another with no obvious gain.

However:

1.Dman has no realistic gains over this to fall into the Milking rule.

2. Dman is not responsible for XproX actions.

3. The essence of the one side of this story falls here:

I had multiple real life friends who played this game and no longer play. I would never ask them to do something similar and if they did, I would not participate.

Dmanwuzhere,after we contacted him, agreed to avoid hitting any of the targets xprox chooses, to help with the current situation that has been created.

In case XproX decides to actively participate in the game again, it is another story of course.

As for Witch Doctors:

1. If there are no hitters, how will witch doctor conduct damage?

2. A few FoJ or HNs are not the end of the world for any player.

3. We will deal with the issue separately anyway, based on the ongoing discussion.

A few words:

All players should avoid bringing such issues on the forums. It helps you keep the bad poison of who cheated or not away from each other. You all are playing in a competitive environment where you put a lot of skills to the test. The easiest way to lose your direction is if you start thinking that you lost because of a cheat. This is why you need to trust administration and its decisions.

We are not here to favor anyone. We are here to keep things fair for everyone.

[sXs]

Feniks,
The issue isn't proxy playing, as the basis of being a proxy is allowable game play. (I'm pretty sure Vane made a similar statement earlier, could have been someone else). The issue is proxy witch doctors. And even if PRO wasn't used as a proxy and it was pure coincidence that you were all online at the same time, the issue comes with the fact the PRO comes online casts voodoo in which there is no benefit to himself and leaves. He holds no ships and conducts no plunder or skirmish. Either way it's destructive game play. The proxy part is just a point of notice to the destructive behavior.

Additionally, there can exist only so many coincidences. As time moves on patterns form, allowing conclusions can be easily drawn, but in that sense that doesn't mean that those conclusions are 100% correct.

Listen, I don't need anyone to cast cards for me for any reason. I can handle that myself. My issue is being called out specifically for being party to some sort of gameplay. Which is fricken hillarious since it has been looked into several times by admin, it has been discussed here over and over again, and yet it is not against any rules, TOS, or anything else.

Seems a few months back a few of us in UK complained about similar actions coming our way as a nation...... no one other than us seemed to care at the time. Everyone was in an uproar at Vane for calling people out and trying to find who was at the bottom of it? Now, whenit is the almighty great Black Sparrow saying some, now everyone has something to say.

Bunch of fricken hypocrites.

I have never, nor will I ever, Use someone else in this way to my benefit. If I want to cast a damn card on someone, if I want to light them up, I am perfectly capable of doing it myself.

Don't ever call me out for doing something like this....

[Shadowood]

For those that may think it coincidence that VUDU members are online at the same time...

Looks like Bigtea is slacking.

I was thinking that same thing. Lunch break I guess.