same old stan

[Dmanwuzhere]

Well, dr lachlan, the medicines you say don't work are also in that regiment ... maybe you should read it

and when you utter words, they have meanings

So when you say big deal, clean your nose and mouth,h everyone knows that reduces blah blah blah
Then you are saying that is effective
If it is effective, then no need for the shot

When I say the vaccine was wildly manipulated to have an exaggerated death rate
Then I am also saying COVID did not kill anywhere near the numbers given

To pretend otherwise is very deceptive and dishonest

[Lachlan]

Well, dr lachlan, the medicines you say don't work are also in that regiment ... maybe you should read it

and when you utter words, they have meanings

So when you say big deal, clean your nose and mouth,h everyone knows that reduces blah blah blah
Then you are saying that is effective
If it is effective, then no need for the shot

When I say the vaccine was wildly manipulated to have an exaggerated death rate
Then I am also saying COVID did not kill anywhere near the numbers given

To pretend otherwise is very deceptive and dishonest

There was need to take the vaccine. I can say then that because the vaccines were effective we don't need to do anything that Dr said but that isn't true. The most effective way to prevent Covid would be take the vaccine and also do most of what that Dr says.

Early on during Covid that Dcotor said those 2 chemical solutions which I mentioned before "fights Covid". When I think of medicine or chemicals fighting something I think antibiotics which you take and then it kills whatever bacterial infection you have. What techniques he is suggesting could kill the Covid virus when it is outside your body and hasn't been absorbed yet just like hand sanitizing your hands for example. So his claims are somewhat misleading.

I have no idea what you mean by "wildly manipulated to have an exaggerated death rate". As for Covid deaths even if I believed Covid deaths in not just America but the entire world were greatly exaggerated and I the halved the amount of dead it is still millions dead and one of the top 10 pandemics in the world to date.

[Dmanwuzhere]

You are skipping the regiment as a whole and trying to say one part of it is good and one part doesn't work

Despite the attempt to silence him during the pandemic, his ENTIRE regiment works as good if not better than the vaccine
and instead of arguing, he proved it with his patients.

Early on, he warned of heart attacks as a result of the vaccine would kill children... and it did

How many children had died from COVID? Toddlers? They certainly didn't need the vaccine

People argued against ventilators, and for naught
turns out that ventilators turn the virus into a super virus with loads of oxygen

turns out if you caught COVID you had some immunity from further bouts

But at the time, to say anything negative made you a target and a conspiracy theorist

People got COVID and survived like we have throughout history
I don't know that the vaccine saved a single life
prove it
I can prove it killed people
Herd immunity is always a thing, and there's no proof that our herd immunity didn't come naturally
The vaccine supposedly mutated, requiring boosters
funny how there were boosters ready as soon as the new mutation sprang up
That's odd as hell ... but ok ... you made a new one in 6 hrs and mandated it be tried on humans
fook that

but this doctor ran with his ideas without killing them, changing as numbers showed a change needed
again without killing people

You can say whatever you want, but today he's a celebrated COVID expert with a successful regiment. YOU can deny but it's proven now, and to hear you deny his facts is hilarious

like you fell for the jab bro no biggie but dr man handled his business and did the damn thing
despite knowing that if a single patient of his died he would have more heat on him ... possibly with charges
Yet the vaccine killed and maimed plenty with no accountability

[Lachlan]

You are skipping the regiment as a whole and trying to say one part of it is good and one part doesn't work

Despite the attempt to silence him during the pandemic, his ENTIRE regiment works as good if not better than the vaccine
and instead of arguing, he proved it with his patients.

Early on, he warned of heart attacks as a result of the vaccine would kill children... and it did

How many children had died from COVID? Toddlers? They certainly didn't need the vaccine

People argued against ventilators, and for naught
turns out that ventilators turn the virus into a super virus with loads of oxygen

turns out if you caught COVID you had some immunity from further bouts

But at the time, to say anything negative made you a target and a conspiracy theorist

People got COVID and survived like we have throughout history
I don't know that the vaccine saved a single life
prove it
I can prove it killed people
Herd immunity is always a thing, and there's no proof that our herd immunity didn't come naturally
The vaccine supposedly mutated, requiring boosters
funny how there were boosters ready as soon as the new mutation sprang up
That's odd as hell ... but ok ... you made a new one in 6 hrs and mandated it be tried on humans
fook that

but this doctor ran with his ideas without killing them, changing as numbers showed a change needed
again without killing people

You can say whatever you want, but today he's a celebrated COVID expert with a successful regiment. YOU can deny but it's proven now, and to hear you deny his facts is hilarious

like you fell for the jab bro no biggie but dr man handled his business and did the damn thing
despite knowing that if a single patient of his died he would have more heat on him ... possibly with charges
Yet the vaccine killed and maimed plenty with no accountability

I have not said that nothing he has suggested wouldn't work. I said that most of what he suggested should work and at least be somewhat effective. I just don't know how effective. I said that I don't know if his Spike medicine worked because he didn't provide evidence that it works unlike most of the other things he said before that. Underneath the picture of it, it says it might work and be effective at dealing with the Spike proteins.

If you read through the studies I sent you the boosters were less effective than the initial vaccine because the virus mutated before they could change it. Yes not that many children died from Covid just like most diseases in history and that is why young children were one of the last group of people to take the vaccine.
And of course if you get a disease and survive it you will have some immunity lol. That's basic immunology

Go find a study that proves the vaccines killed people en mass.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I sure will.... just as soon as you show me studies stating they saved lives en masse... with data, not opinions.
See, people with comorbidities died with or without the vaccine; the only difference being more coronary issues with the vaccine.
Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated survived by the millions.
So what if the vaccine was doodoo and did nothing except have negative side effects?
With the number of people who got COVID and were not vaccinated and survived, you can't tell me a vaccine did anything.

There are no studies investigating every death to see if there was an existing issue that was complicated by the virus.
They will never study or investigate that;
They just tested, and if COVID was present at all, it was a COVID death.

Hospitals were incentivized in America to call every death possible a COVID death.
When the flu only raked in 5k in govt funds, Covid raked in double to triple that, and use of ventilators brought in 35k per use.
So we will never in the States even know what a COVID death was, let alone the numbers.

The two examples I gave you in another response were accurate
A motorcyclist hit by a tractor-trailer died of COVID-19
A mentally ill man shot him self with a shotgun under his chin and died of COVID.
If a contagion is so deadly, why a need for those types of fraudulent reporting of deaths?

You can tell me what all the experts, like your veterinarian, surmised from reading controlled reports
Neither you nor your veterinarian can provide studies with empirical data with individualized sets
easily translated to support your positions,

so the conversation from your view is for naught
while the doctor I listed has patients who received his regiment as needed
Vaers is full of info on side effects from the vax
They do follow-ups but never add it to their stats.... not sure why
But I do have downloaded files from 2021-25 from VAERS but they cant be posted here, as it takes a special program to run through them

[Lachlan]

I sure will.... just as soon as you show me studies stating they saved lives en masse... with data, not opinions.
See, people with comorbidities died with or without the vaccine; the only difference being more coronary issues with the vaccine.
Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated survived by the millions.
So what if the vaccine was doodoo and did nothing except have negative side effects?
With the number of people who got COVID and were not vaccinated and survived, you can't tell me a vaccine did anything.

There are no studies investigating every death to see if there was an existing issue that was complicated by the virus.
They will never study or investigate that;
They just tested, and if COVID was present at all, it was a COVID death.

Hospitals were incentivized in America to call every death possible a COVID death.
When the flu only raked in 5k in govt funds, Covid raked in double to triple that, and use of ventilators brought in 35k per use.
So we will never in the States even know what a COVID death was, let alone the numbers.

The two examples I gave you in another response were accurate
A motorcyclist hit by a tractor-trailer died of COVID-19
A mentally ill man shot him self with a shotgun under his chin and died of COVID.
If a contagion is so deadly, why a need for those types of fraudulent reporting of deaths?

You can tell me what all the experts, like your veterinarian, surmised from reading controlled reports
Neither you nor your veterinarian can provide studies with empirical data with individualized sets
easily translated to support your positions,

so the conversation from your view is for naught
while the doctor I listed has patients who received his regiment as needed
Vaers is full of info on side effects from the vax
They do follow-ups but never add it to their stats.... not sure why
But I do have downloaded files from 2021-25 from VAERS but they cant be posted here, as it takes a special program to run through them

Okay I did a quick search. The more disreputable sources said 20 million people which I think is nonsense because they were from media sources and looked like they had just pulled a random number out of nowhere. As far as I can see there is no study assessing global data of lives saved and deaths due to Covid.
This study looks at lives saved in the EU and high income countries. It does have connections to WHO though but I can confidently say that there is unlikely to be a study out there not affiliated in some way with some medical or health organisation. It says 1.6 million lives saved mainly in the 60+ range because that is the majority demographic that died due to Covid. The link may not work like last time, I've had problems with lancet links but I'll copy and paste the full name of it below so you can search it if you want.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanr ... 13-2600(24)00179-6/fulltext
Estimated number of lives directly saved by COVID-19 vaccination programmes in the WHO European Region from December, 2020, to March, 2023: a retrospective surveillance study

[Dmanwuzhere]

Yeah, the link doesn't work

However, you are right; there are no studies based on individuals being researched on a case-by-case basis.

The discussion will prove futile because there is no proof by study on a case-by-case basis.
The good doctor I presented is of course, case by case, but it has both vaccinated and unvaccinated, and all survive.
While it isn't proof positive, the vaccine was ineffective, as his patients required his regiment of treatment to varying degrees
depending on how soon COVID was detected and treatment was started.
But it certainly leads me to add the question of the effectiveness of the vax, considering he had to treat vaccinated individuals at all.

The facts are facts, though, and certainly, members of our nation were involved in the drug's profits, which totaled over 70 billion just between two companies.

The closing of all businesses save big chain stores like Walmart also leaves a bad taste in my mouth as it certainly reeks of kickbacks of some sort,
At the expense of killing their competition from mom and pop stores

I am sure the whole story will never come out, but I believe that the pandemic was created and executed not by China but by bad actors in the USA, with China as the patsy or in collusion with the bad actors.

That being said, we can always go back to the tariff debate

Understand one of my weaknesses is Nike. I love them, and my kids have always had them because I like them.
despite their use of cheap labor and underage slave labor.
I still found it funny that they closed the China plant to avoid earlier tariffs and set up shop in Vietnam only for the
tariffs there with this new bout of tariffs to be higher than China.... Hilarious

Note to Leo, while I am aware of Nikes abuse of humanity in other regions, I certainly must not care enough to boycott them.
Which is my point to you that you must not care about all the crap you talk about either as you have not boycotted
Plastics, gas, or any of your other self-righteous chit

[Lachlan]

Yeah, the link doesn't work

However, you are right; there are no studies based on individuals being researched on a case-by-case basis.

The discussion will prove futile because there is no proof by study on a case-by-case basis.
The good doctor I presented is of course, case by case, but it has both vaccinated and unvaccinated, and all survive.
While it isn't proof positive, the vaccine was ineffective, as his patients required his regiment of treatment to varying degrees
depending on how soon COVID was detected and treatment was started.
But it certainly leads me to add the question of the effectiveness of the vax, considering he had to treat vaccinated individuals at all.

The facts are facts, though, and certainly, members of our nation were involved in the drug's profits, which totaled over 70 billion just between two companies.

The closing of all businesses save big chain stores like Walmart also leaves a bad taste in my mouth as it certainly reeks of kickbacks of some sort,
At the expense of killing their competition from mom and pop stores

I am sure the whole story will never come out, but I believe that the pandemic was created and executed not by China but by bad actors in the USA, with China as the patsy or in collusion with the bad actors.

That being said, we can always go back to the tariff debate

Understand one of my weaknesses is Nike. I love them, and my kids have always had them because I like them.
despite their use of cheap labor and underage slave labor.
I still found it funny that they closed the China plant to avoid earlier tariffs and set up shop in Vietnam only for the
tariffs there with this new bout of tariffs to be higher than China.... Hilarious

Note to Leo, while I am aware of Nikes abuse of humanity in other regions, I certainly must not care enough to boycott them.
Which is my point to you that you must not care about all the crap you talk about either as you have not boycotted
Plastics, gas, or any of your other self-righteous chit

Did small business close in the US because in Australia they remained open all throughout covid.
Now about tariffs initially I thought it was everything Australia exported to America but fortunately some things you guys need have been exempted like rare earths and stuff because initially I thought that was not the case and I thought you guys need rare earths we have. However Australian beef now does have greater tariffs and his reason being we don't import American beef and excluding them for the market is nonsense. Why would we import your beef when we produce pretty much all we need domestically. It is better to buy domestic and boost your own economy after all. I think he may have also complained about our strict biosecurity laws on everyone. But we have that because whenever a disease we don't have in Australia slips past our biosecurity it costs us tens of billions minimum to contain it. Fortunately, 10% tariffs is not extremely bad and most of our beef industry can absorb that easily.

[Dmanwuzhere]

One thing we have no shortage of is cows.
In fact, there are farmers with tons of acres who get us funds to not produce crops or raise cattle.
Before that program, we had 5 times the cows we currently have, which is currently about the same as aus in beef cows.
I certainly would prefer we raise our own 100 percent.
Although Leo wants all cows killed because his leader AOC has determined due to their farts they are contributing to global warming
The idea originally was to create a market with tons of competitors, thus driving prices down.
If every nation believed in that, then it might work.
But if other countries want to add tariffs to protect their market, it's proof that what Trump is doing is a good thing
Although I would prefer matching percent for percent.
If we put 10 on your beef, it means you have 20 on ours.
But 10 percent with your current export numbers will be a nice sum for our government, and Mcdonalds can keep buying from you guys.
They don't even sell all-beef burgers, so I don't care if they water your burgers down. I rarely eat there.
I eat out at good food joints that almost rival the cost but have better food.

[Lachlan]

One thing we have no shortage of is cows.
In fact, there are farmers with tons of acres who get us funds to not produce crops or raise cattle.
Before that program, we had 5 times the cows we currently have, which is currently about the same as aus in beef cows.
I certainly would prefer we raise our own 100 percent.
Although Leo wants all cows killed because his leader AOC has determined due to their farts they are contributing to global warming
The idea originally was to create a market with tons of competitors, thus driving prices down.
If every nation believed in that, then it might work.
But if other countries want to add tariffs to protect their market, it's proof that what Trump is doing is a good thing
Although I would prefer matching percent for percent.
If we put 10 on your beef, it means you have 20 on ours.
But 10 percent with your current export numbers will be a nice sum for our government, and Mcdonalds can keep buying from you guys.
They don't even sell all-beef burgers, so I don't care if they water your burgers down. I rarely eat there.
I eat out at good food joints that almost rival the cost but have better food.

I heard that you guys like to buy our beef because ours are grass fed and taste slightly different to the beef you guys produce and that our beef is a bit leaner then american beef which tends to have a bit more fat.