same old stan

[Lachlan]

Let's follow the trail to your indian journal.

Soiza RL, Scicluna C, Thomson is the man cited in the indian journal review

Who does he work for

University of amberdeen

There ya go. There are no ties to anyone that would have a motive to push an agenda, right?

except for one little detail

Big pharma bought out the University of Amberdeens spinout company hamptogene Its purchaser is listed as Wyeth Pharmaceuticals..................... Oh my

But then you say Well, they didn't create a vaccine, so the chance of polluted narratives is slim

except for one detail

Pfizer purchased Wyeth Pharmaceuticals

So now you can bet Pfizer certainly isn't going to let an employee print nothing but fluff for them

You want proof for the things I say, but I grow tired of doing your work for you
Unlike you, I don't just Google favorable phrases and copy and paste
I spend time searching nonpartisan questions to find the partisan connections


So you directed me to a peer-reviewed article on Pfizer by Pfizer

University's are by it's nature connected to different companies, research groups etc. I'm sure if I were to search up connections for a different university you would find very weak connections to almost anything. That does not mean that because the University of Amberdeen is weakly connected to Pfizer that they are going to be puppets of that company. There are multiple safeguards in place. This guy has to get all of his co-researchers on the paper to agree with what is being said, then it has to be reviewed by other experts in the field, then it needs the approval of whatever journal it is being published in and then only then is it published for us to see. As long as you find any small, weak connection to any pharmaceutical industry you will just claim it's not valid.

I would also like to raise the point nobody was talking about this before. Everyone was talking about antibiotic resistant bacteria and antiviral medications for some time and then you just came out of left field talking about how everyone approved of the Covid vaccines (when nobody was talking about that ).

lmao ownership is a weak connection
COVID was talked about here before, so its not left field Leo loved it, as did quite a few other people here
A mandate is an approval, and it ties in with its weak azz stats of vaccinated folks getting COVID anyway
Say what you want, but some very reputable doctors were silenced for voicing opposition to the vaccine

Yes weak connection because you claim Pfizer owns Wyeth chemicals, who bought Haptogen Limited in 2007. You then claim because one or two researchers happen to work in some capacity at that university, they parrot big pharma's view and therefore cannot be trusted at all. So yes that is a weak connection. Even then experts from that university would not have been the ones that gave approval for it to be published to the wider world. It would have been the people in charge of the indian journal as well. You are essentially claiming every single name on that paper, the University of Aberdeen and that indian journal are all lying to us. The whole point of a peer review is to make sure what is being published is based in science and statistics and follows ethical principles.

Even if I were to find you a peer reviewed study that had absolutely zero connection (even weak connections) to big pharma even partially supporting my view you still would not listen anyway and just claim that the study is not valid and somehow all these people are being influenced by big pharma.

[Lachlan]

Single use plastics have no use. They don't need a replacement. Recycling was also invented by the plastics industry to put the responsibility on the consumer. We don't need everything to be individually wrapped, we don't need plastic bottles, we don't need plastic utensils or straws, phone cases, cutting boards, or clothes. Plastic does have some legitimate uses but it is so overused and it's those disposable products that are responsible for most of the problem

What do you mean recycling was invented by the plastics industry? Recycling resources was happening long before plastic was invented. Just not on as large a scale as nowdays. Recycling things is good anyway.

[Lachlan]

honestly, with the whole climate change issue, way I see it, the climate changes naturally over time with or without us. Do humans impact the climate? Sure, we do, now If all humans and human made devices disappeared would the climate stop changing? Definitely not. We've had snowball earths before, ice ages, hot periods etc. Whatever damage we may do to the climate, probably won't compare to the extremes earth has already gone through. Hell, look up the great dying. It's believed temps at the equator were hot enough to cook a chicken. Life survived. Not too worried about saving the earth, when I am pretty sure we don't have the ability to actually destroy it, even if we wanted to and tried. We'd all die off first, and earth would bounce back from our attempt.

I think that is a very short term view you are taking. Yes the climate does change but we are changing it drastically above what is normal. Plastic is used in everything yes but we can cut down on our individual plastic use here and there. There are plenty of other things we can do to be more sustainable as well like compost your food waste and grow your own food (to reduce food waste and food miles), put solar panels on your home so you can partially take care of your own electricity needs and make your power cheaper, even simple things like designing houses with awnings reduce energy usage as well as good insulation.

Now sure we can't just quit cold turkey on gas, plastics or coal but we can make things more efficient and do our part to help out.

[Leo]

Your favorite lefty hangout has around 40,199 locations around the world, mostly here and in China.
They are a big proponent of single-use plastics, but I don't see anyone boycotting Starbucks.
Instead, people meet there to discuss burning neighborhoods and Teslas to gift the world with more carbon emissions
And utilize and throw away as much single-use plastics as they can while taking a break from saving the world

The left has been boycotting Starbucks for a long time lol. Nice try though

[Leo]

Single use plastics have no use. They don't need a replacement. Recycling was also invented by the plastics industry to put the responsibility on the consumer. We don't need everything to be individually wrapped, we don't need plastic bottles, we don't need plastic utensils or straws, phone cases, cutting boards, or clothes. Plastic does have some legitimate uses but it is so overused and it's those disposable products that are responsible for most of the problem

What do you mean recycling was invented by the plastics industry? Recycling resources was happening long before plastic was invented. Just not on as large a scale as nowdays. Recycling things is good anyway.

Plastics* recycling. Now you buy a bottle of water, you throw the bottle on the garbage when you're done, now you're a bad person. But the company that made the excessively wasteful bottle isn't bad. No no never. It's also been shown that a huge amount of recycled plastic just ends up in the ocean anyway. No one asked for cheap plastic containers to replace glass ones. No one asked for individually wrapped everything.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I guess you dont read disclaimers huh lachlan?
the indian journal is very adamant they are not checking the truth but merely reprinting studies
If I wanted to delve into the net worth and income of said journal
I might be able to guess whether or not folks pay to get on that list of reprinting
but the "weak" connection of a Pfizer-owned company having an article about itself with the aforementioned ties
is plenty strong for me.

i followed the trail with no inkling Pfizer would show up but for you its a coincidence of no importance

ok, if you say so. "weak" minds blindly copy and paste links without any thought as to where and why it came about to be in your face

[Dmanwuzhere]

Your favorite lefty hangout has around 40,199 locations around the world, mostly here and in China.
They are a big proponent of single-use plastics, but I don't see anyone boycotting Starbucks.
Instead, people meet there to discuss burning neighborhoods and Teslas to gift the world with more carbon emissions
And utilize and throw away as much single-use plastics as they can while taking a break from saving the world

The left has been boycotting Starbucks for a long time lol. Nice try though

only in Cali and even there, its half half-hearted
Everywhere else its full of latte leos and soy bois

one of my favorites



The Babylon Bee got a chuckle from me addressing Starbucks employees

[Leo]

Pretty much everyone I know hates Starbucks. It hasn't been a popular spot for gen Z-ers in maybe 4 years. Mostly now it's politically apathetic millennials who have terrible taste in coffee

[Meliva]

Single use plastics have no use. They don't need a replacement. Recycling was also invented by the plastics industry to put the responsibility on the consumer. We don't need everything to be individually wrapped, we don't need plastic bottles, we don't need plastic utensils or straws, phone cases, cutting boards, or clothes. Plastic does have some legitimate uses but it is so overused and it's those disposable products that are responsible for most of the problem

What do you mean recycling was invented by the plastics industry? Recycling resources was happening long before plastic was invented. Just not on as large a scale as nowdays. Recycling things is good anyway.

Plastics* recycling. Now you buy a bottle of water, you throw the bottle on the garbage when you're done, now you're a bad person. But the company that made the excessively wasteful bottle isn't bad. No no never. It's also been shown that a huge amount of recycled plastic just ends up in the ocean anyway. No one asked for cheap plastic containers to replace glass ones. No one asked for individually wrapped everything.

then why buy it? You realize that companies don't make things that don't sell right? When something isn't selling, they stop making it, or change it to sell it better. If starting today, no one ever bought another product, let's say, beef wrapped in plastics in the meat section, and said they'd refuse to buy meat that wasn't wrapped in paper, or something else, the industry would be very quick to try to shift to this demand.

I'll ask again Leo, be honest. How much plastic do you personally buy and use? How much of the food you buy from the store is wrapped in plastic? How often do you use plastic straws? It's all well and good for you to say these things have no use, and should be disposed of, but be honest and tell me. Do you never buy anything that uses these single use plastics, or do you not practice what you preach? Also, again, don't try to use the argument that you have no choice or something similar. Can always go and try to live like the Amish do, or change your lifestyle to rid your life of plastics.

[Leo]

I always try to avoid it. If there are two options for the same thing but one is in plastic I'll get the one that isn't. Sometimes I'll order a piece of musical equipment and it'll show up fully disassembled and entirely individually wrapped in plastic. Not only is it unnecessary but in that case I had no way of knowing that it would be like that prior to ordering. So when that happens sometimes I'll email the company and ask if they'd consider using less plastic in their packaging. I've actually had a lot of luck that way and sometimes they'll respond. I hate plastic with a passion so anytime I can avoid buying things that use it I do. I understand that it's cheap and easy but it's so so bad for the environment and also just for humans too, but oil companies have the market by the balls and have even successfully lobbied so that it's illegal to ban single-use plastic. If you don't believe me you can look it up. What a corrupt world