same old stan

[Meliva]

yeah, that tends to be a bit of an issue nowadays. People don't normally like to dig very deep into topics, as that takes a bit of time and work. So when companies have all these layers and subsidiaries and associates it makes it harder to track something to them and makes it easier for them to deny things.

A lot of the giant super rich companies have their hands in all sorts of pies.

[Lachlan]

Let's follow the trail to your indian journal.

Soiza RL, Scicluna C, Thomson is the man cited in the indian journal review

Who does he work for

University of amberdeen

There ya go. There are no ties to anyone that would have a motive to push an agenda, right?

except for one little detail

Big pharma bought out the University of Amberdeens spinout company hamptogene Its purchaser is listed as Wyeth Pharmaceuticals..................... Oh my

But then you say Well, they didn't create a vaccine, so the chance of polluted narratives is slim

except for one detail

Pfizer purchased Wyeth Pharmaceuticals

So now you can bet Pfizer certainly isn't going to let an employee print nothing but fluff for them

You want proof for the things I say, but I grow tired of doing your work for you
Unlike you, I don't just Google favorable phrases and copy and paste
I spend time searching nonpartisan questions to find the partisan connections


So you directed me to a peer-reviewed article on Pfizer by Pfizer

University's are by it's nature connected to different companies, research groups etc. I'm sure if I were to search up connections for a different university you would find very weak connections to almost anything. That does not mean that because the University of Amberdeen is weakly connected to Pfizer that they are going to be puppets of that company. There are multiple safeguards in place. This guy has to get all of his co-researchers on the paper to agree with what is being said, then it has to be reviewed by other experts in the field, then it needs the approval of whatever journal it is being published in and then only then is it published for us to see. As long as you find any small, weak connection to any pharmaceutical industry you will just claim it's not valid.

I would also like to raise the point nobody was talking about this before. Everyone was talking about antibiotic resistant bacteria and antiviral medications for some time and then you just came out of left field talking about how everyone approved of the Covid vaccines (when nobody was talking about that ).

[Leo]

If we're gonna talk about corruption thru pharmaceutical companies and their "propaganda" can we also talk about the oil companies (the most powerful companies in the world) and how they've spent the past 100 years not only making us rely on cars, poisoning us with tetraethyl lead which they assured us was safe, and now poisoning the environment and lobbying for propaganda that climate change is a hoax?

[Dmanwuzhere]

Let's follow the trail to your indian journal.

Soiza RL, Scicluna C, Thomson is the man cited in the indian journal review

Who does he work for

University of amberdeen

There ya go. There are no ties to anyone that would have a motive to push an agenda, right?

except for one little detail

Big pharma bought out the University of Amberdeens spinout company hamptogene Its purchaser is listed as Wyeth Pharmaceuticals..................... Oh my

But then you say Well, they didn't create a vaccine, so the chance of polluted narratives is slim

except for one detail

Pfizer purchased Wyeth Pharmaceuticals

So now you can bet Pfizer certainly isn't going to let an employee print nothing but fluff for them

You want proof for the things I say, but I grow tired of doing your work for you
Unlike you, I don't just Google favorable phrases and copy and paste
I spend time searching nonpartisan questions to find the partisan connections


So you directed me to a peer-reviewed article on Pfizer by Pfizer

University's are by it's nature connected to different companies, research groups etc. I'm sure if I were to search up connections for a different university you would find very weak connections to almost anything. That does not mean that because the University of Amberdeen is weakly connected to Pfizer that they are going to be puppets of that company. There are multiple safeguards in place. This guy has to get all of his co-researchers on the paper to agree with what is being said, then it has to be reviewed by other experts in the field, then it needs the approval of whatever journal it is being published in and then only then is it published for us to see. As long as you find any small, weak connection to any pharmaceutical industry you will just claim it's not valid.

I would also like to raise the point nobody was talking about this before. Everyone was talking about antibiotic resistant bacteria and antiviral medications for some time and then you just came out of left field talking about how everyone approved of the Covid vaccines (when nobody was talking about that ).

lmao ownership is a weak connection
COVID was talked about here before, so its not left field Leo loved it, as did quite a few other people here
A mandate is an approval, and it ties in with its weak azz stats of vaccinated folks getting COVID anyway
Say what you want, but some very reputable doctors were silenced for voicing opposition to the vaccine

[Dmanwuzhere]

If we're gonna talk about corruption thru pharmaceutical companies and their "propaganda" can we also talk about the oil companies (the most powerful companies in the world) and how they've spent the past 100 years not only making us rely on cars, poisoning us with tetraethyl lead which they assured us was safe, and now poisoning the environment and lobbying for propaganda that climate change is a hoax?

Making you rely on cars I have yet to see a car mandate; that's a choice people make because it adds convenience to their life
It's never been mandated like, say, a vaccine

As for tel, you weren't around for that one. Now, we use ethanol
That's true unless you've been huffing old gas from the '70s
Or you buy gas from Algeria
Iraq
Yemen
Myanmar
North Korea
or
Afghanistan

They never assured you it was safe because you weren't around in the 20s

And its presence in gas wasn't the real problem; it's in its concentrated form that was disastrous, but you never worked in a plant that added it to the gas, so lol

as for climate change, you can't defend it's not a hoax, and I won't even bother trying to argue that it is a hoax because, to be fair, we as a nation have cut down our emissions immensely, and for our population, I'm cool with where we are at

You might talk to China, considering they create 30 percent of the metric tons of carbon, but you think we are the problem

But for a lefty in denial, it sure is funny that your side wants to burn electric cars
I mean, 7104, 18650 lithium batteries per burnt Tesla must be great for climate change
All of you leftists can walk, ride a bicycle and sell your vehicles, and refuse to support anything trafficked by vehicle... I mean, you would starve and be without all your creature comforts, so that will never happen

[Meliva]

honestly, with the whole climate change issue, way I see it, the climate changes naturally over time with or without us. Do humans impact the climate? Sure, we do, now If all humans and human made devices disappeared would the climate stop changing? Definitely not. We've had snowball earths before, ice ages, hot periods etc. Whatever damage we may do to the climate, probably won't compare to the extremes earth has already gone through. Hell, look up the great dying. It's believed temps at the equator were hot enough to cook a chicken. Life survived. Not too worried about saving the earth, when I am pretty sure we don't have the ability to actually destroy it, even if we wanted to and tried. We'd all die off first, and earth would bounce back from our attempt.

[Leo]

While this is true meliva, it still doesn't mean that we should do it. We're not alone on this planet and we should be treating our neighbors with respect. Instead we're responsible for their extinction or near extinction and the poisoning of their future generations through plastic and micro plastic contamination that will take thousands of tens of thousands of years to biodegrade. No to mention the impact it has on our own species. One sample found a plastic spoon worth of microplastics in the human brain. Aren't we supposed to want the best for our own kind? This stuff should've been outlawed a long time ago but that wouldn't make the oil executives any money. The day when CEOs can be held accountable for the crimes against humanity their companies commit is the day we will be saved

[Meliva]

okay. What do you propose we replace plastic with? Gas as well since you're against that. It's very easy to say we shouldn't be using something, but unless you can propose a suitable alternative or wish to advocate for doing without it, it's a waste of time to complain about it's use. Plastic is used in so many things, as well as oil and gas. How much plastic and oil and gas do you use? Are you one of those hypocrites who say we shouldn't use that stuff but use it anyway? Based on the fact you're online, gonna say yes, since your tech probably has plastic in it. You planning to stop buying electronics to support your cause buddy? Also before you try to say you have to or don't have a choice, nothings stopping you from going off and living like the Amish do.

That's a big problem with a lot of folks like you. You go on and on about how something is bad or wrong, but offer no solutions, while still enjoying the end results of those very things. If you're truly against plastic and care so much about it, then put your money where your mouth is, look up everything that uses plastic and never use those same products or items.

[Leo]

Single use plastics have no use. They don't need a replacement. Recycling was also invented by the plastics industry to put the responsibility on the consumer. We don't need everything to be individually wrapped, we don't need plastic bottles, we don't need plastic utensils or straws, phone cases, cutting boards, or clothes. Plastic does have some legitimate uses but it is so overused and it's those disposable products that are responsible for most of the problem

[Dmanwuzhere]

Your favorite lefty hangout has around 40,199 locations around the world, mostly here and in China.
They are a big proponent of single-use plastics, but I don't see anyone boycotting Starbucks.
Instead, people meet there to discuss burning neighborhoods and Teslas to gift the world with more carbon emissions
And utilize and throw away as much single-use plastics as they can while taking a break from saving the world