Using a proxy to cast voodoo? Action to condemn

[Most Lee Harmless]

Xpro has taken to occasional casts on our guild too. Being lacking in assets does mean one just has to endure them, somewhat like the demented yapping of a small dog who has crapped on your lawn and thinks they own your ass.
I doubt there is any one solution which would not also hinder legitimate gameplay and co-operation. We can agree that those who play in that manner are farkwitz not even worthy of our contempt.

[Admiral Nelson]

xProx does not seem as a legitimate player. That's the root of my protest here. I know he used to be one but I am not sure he is now. Like I said in my first post, if there is same IP conflict, then the rules are clear.

However, even if it is not a same IP conflict, we need to ensure that a player is not acting as a proxy for a specific player or group. For example, Merc, mercenaries and bounties are open for all and carried by everyone. If xprox is here only to favor specific players, then this is no different than milking. His history must be checked for this. If he has been acting like this, then he is simply tainting the gameplay.

Although, the easiest explanation is given by the rules. When taking a bounty, you are doing an action that will be rewarded. When casting voodoo with no gains or reason other than favor someone else, then you are not playing your own account at its own full benefit. Therefore, this is milking.

Cheers for the explanation

Hope no one took my questioning the wrong way, it was a genuine question.

[Lana]

Xpro has taken to occasional casts on our guild too. Being lackingnin assets does mean one justbhas to endure them, somewhat like the demented yapping of a small dog who has crapped on your lawn and thinks they own your ass.
I doubt there is any one solution which woild not also hinder legitimate gameplay and co-operation. We can agree that goll whonplay in that manner are farkeits not even worthy of our contempt.

Wow!
Nice style!

[Stan Rogers]

Well William, whether it is done covertly or overtly, the issue does seem to keep circling your guild with a few members being at the right time and place to grab a handful of GC before anyone else is aware. Do you not get notifications on your guild msg board that "Somebody" will light at the top of the hour ?
If not, I would guess it happens covertly among a few members of your guild.
To me, this would be abusing one's own guild mates as well.
Of course the guild leadership will stand by their membership as a good leader should, however, how long before this blind faith taints the whole guild's integrity ?

[Banger]

Well William, whether it is done covertly or overtly, the issue does seem to keep circling your guild with a few members being at the right time and place to grab a handful of GC before anyone else is aware. Do you not get notifications on your guild msg board that "Somebody" will light at the top of the hour ?
If not, I would guess it happens covertly among a few members of your guild.
To me, this would be abusing one's own guild mates as well.
Of course the guild leadership will stand by their membership as a good leader should, however, how long before this blind faith taints the whole guild's integrity ?

I always check boards at the top of the hour, ALWAYS. Lets be honest, there is really only like 30-50 of us that REALLY play this game, I mean REALLY play it. We, VUDU, are one of the more active groups in the game. I personally am probably one of the highest activity players in the game. For me, 99%, I never know anything, even when my own guildees are planning to raid someone. I just diligently check things. I am starting to get a sour taste in my mouth that this game is shifting to an incremental downtime trading game and away from being a pirate game. I see people in this thread complaining about taking months of attacks. Between the attacks I saw during the great Merc/VUDU war and the attacks I saw when the UK was being oppressed I think I have seen as many as anyone if not more in the last 12 months. You guys need to remember the roots of this game is a pirates game. Pirates were shady motherf-ers. Shady to the max. Now while I will agree that outright cheating is wrong, I think there is a pretty big disparity between what Pro is doing here and cheating. There has been no significant besiegement of a particular player or guild that I have seen. It has been more pestilent than anything. I would suggest that the determination of this issue be left to admin's discretion.

[Banger]

Well William, whether it is done covertly or overtly, the issue does seem to keep circling your guild with a few members being at the right time and place to grab a handful of GC before anyone else is aware. Do you not get notifications on your guild msg board that "Somebody" will light at the top of the hour ?
If not, I would guess it happens covertly among a few members of your guild.
To me, this would be abusing one's own guild mates as well.
Of course the guild leadership will stand by their membership as a good leader should, however, how long before this blind faith taints the whole guild's integrity ?

Oh btw Stan, your conspiracy theory's make you sound like someone wearing a tinfoil hat and hiding in their basement. I had factual information that I got straight from the horse's mouth and I gave it to you when I was in Ayes and you glazed right over it in favor of your speculative claims that were fueled by gossip you got from your inner circle that wouldn't know the backdoor business of Avonmora if that door smacked them right in the butt.

[William one eye]

Well William, whether it is done covertly or overtly, the issue does seem to keep circling your guild with a few members being at the right time and place to grab a handful of GC before anyone else is aware. Do you not get notifications on your guild msg board that "Somebody" will light at the top of the hour ?
If not, I would guess it happens covertly among a few members of your guild.
To me, this would be abusing one's own guild mates as well.
Of course the guild leadership will stand by their membership as a good leader should, however, how long before this blind faith taints the whole guild's integrity ?

95% of the time we don't know when someone in our guild is raiding someone.
I have a raid fleet in every single port at the ready all the time.
If I am bored, have spare turns, and don't feel like finding a target.
I check guild battles at the turn of the hour to see if I can vulture in on one of my guild mates raids
I also check port battles at the turn of the hour to see if I can vulture in on other players raids also.
Sometimes I just check at random times to see if someone has hostile natives on.
I would strongly suspect that others in Vudu do this also.

sometimes, someone will post a spy network, and say I just cast,
But that is seldom the case. We are aggressive and active, if something
is going down, its likely at least several of us will notice purely from keeping our eyes open.

[Vane]

Well William, whether it is done covertly or overtly, the issue does seem to keep circling your guild with a few members being at the right time and place to grab a handful of GC before anyone else is aware. Do you not get notifications on your guild msg board that "Somebody" will light at the top of the hour ?
If not, I would guess it happens covertly among a few members of your guild.
To me, this would be abusing one's own guild mates as well.
Of course the guild leadership will stand by their membership as a good leader should, however, how long before this blind faith taints the whole guild's integrity ?

I always check boards at the top of the hour, ALWAYS. Lets be honest, there is really only like 30-50 of us that REALLY play this game, I mean REALLY play it. We, VUDU, are one of the more active groups in the game. I personally am probably one of the highest activity players in the game. For me, 99%, I never know anything, even when my own guildees are planning to raid someone. I just diligently check things. I am starting to get a sour taste in my mouth that this game is shifting to an incremental downtime trading game and away from being a pirate game. I see people in this thread complaining about taking months of attacks. Between the attacks I saw during the great Merc/VUDU war and the attacks I saw when the UK was being oppressed I think I have seen as many as anyone if not more in the last 12 months. You guys need to remember the roots of this game is a pirates game. Pirates were shady motherf-ers. Shady to the max. Now while I will agree that outright cheating is wrong, I think there is a pretty big disparity between what Pro is doing here and cheating. There has been no significant besiegement of a particular player or guild that I have seen. It has been more pestilent than anything. I would suggest that the determination of this issue be left to admin's discretion.

The discussion here where any attacks were brought up was not to debate nor complain of perpetual days, weeks, or months of hits. That is expected and completely acceptable. The "problem" as to not allow this thread be derailed.. is the method in which these attacks are conducted. xPROx does not act in anyway to advance himself or his account. This is the issue we are discussing. If he is not actively playing to the full benefit of his account and only acting to assist others, this is clearing defined as cheating via milking/pushing in the rules and should in no way be tolerated.

[Banger]

Well William, whether it is done covertly or overtly, the issue does seem to keep circling your guild with a few members being at the right time and place to grab a handful of GC before anyone else is aware. Do you not get notifications on your guild msg board that "Somebody" will light at the top of the hour ?
If not, I would guess it happens covertly among a few members of your guild.
To me, this would be abusing one's own guild mates as well.
Of course the guild leadership will stand by their membership as a good leader should, however, how long before this blind faith taints the whole guild's integrity ?

I always check boards at the top of the hour, ALWAYS. Lets be honest, there is really only like 30-50 of us that REALLY play this game, I mean REALLY play it. We, VUDU, are one of the more active groups in the game. I personally am probably one of the highest activity players in the game. For me, 99%, I never know anything, even when my own guildees are planning to raid someone. I just diligently check things. I am starting to get a sour taste in my mouth that this game is shifting to an incremental downtime trading game and away from being a pirate game. I see people in this thread complaining about taking months of attacks. Between the attacks I saw during the great Merc/VUDU war and the attacks I saw when the UK was being oppressed I think I have seen as many as anyone if not more in the last 12 months. You guys need to remember the roots of this game is a pirates game. Pirates were shady motherf-ers. Shady to the max. Now while I will agree that outright cheating is wrong, I think there is a pretty big disparity between what Pro is doing here and cheating. There has been no significant besiegement of a particular player or guild that I have seen. It has been more pestilent than anything. I would suggest that the determination of this issue be left to admin's discretion.

The discussion here where any attacks were brought up was not to debate nor complain of perpetual days, weeks, or months of hits. That is expected and completely acceptable. The "problem" as to not allow this thread be derailed.. is the method in which these attacks are conducted. xPROx does not act in anyway to advance himself or his account. This is the issue we are discussing. If he is not actively playing to the full benefit of his account and only acting to assist others, this is clearing defined as cheating via milking/pushing in the rules and should in no way be tolerated.

He is no different that the laundry list of witch doctors that cast on me because I farmed SSTG for months, or defleeted their friend, etc. etc. So just as long as their is clarity that this is an much about any and all witch doctor behavior, then carry on. I also would like it noted for the record that I have played other games with Dman and Pro and they are most certainly not the same person.

[Vane]

For Clarity sake, this is not about witch doctors. This is about an account acting for the benefit of another and not their own.

If xPROx was casting as he is now and running 1 sloop then going around making the hits on his target even a mere 50% of the time this would be a lot different.


Simple facts, PRO gets a call, comes online to cast on the targets for those who called him, then logs off to go about his life. The ones who called, collect the gains through port actions without wasting their own turns to cast and walk away claiming it was all luck of opportunity.

Toxicity and Pushing at its finest gentlemen.