same old stan

[Meliva]

I know what vaccines are supposed to do. What I'm saying is that the covid vaccine and all the boosters didn't work as well as they should have in my opinion. I still got it, even with all the vaccines, and doing as much prevention as I possibly could, and it still made me sick as a dog. It truly felt like what they gave me might as well had been sugar water, cause I truly do not believe, it made a damn bit of difference. Which, somewhat makes sense. It was a very much a rush job. Which makes me question why the rush job, with a half baked vaccine, on a disease that, had an extremely low lethality rate for anyone who was in decent shape. I also believe that the numbers of deaths covid actually caused were very much inflated. I recall hearing that if you tested positive with it when you died, they would mark the death as covid related. Recall a story about a guy who got in a motorcycle wreck, and in the autopsy revealed he had it. Got marked down as a covid death. And not, you know, dead from the injuries caused by a wreck.

And no, some of those politicians are still very much in power. Or at the very least, it wasn't covid alone that ended their next reelection. Too many people who live in bubbles will vote for their party's candidate, even if that candidate likes to kick babies for fun and eats human flesh. That goes for both sides mind you, red and blue.

[Leo]

I got COVID pre vax and several times post vax. Didn't notice any difference in severity (it was relatively mild each time). I think for young and healthy people it didn't really do much and initially it was supposed to be for heard immunity (turns out it couldn't stop you from getting it or spreading it though the way other vaccines do). For old or unhealthy people though it definitely was very effective. My diabetic 80 year old grandma got COVID after the vaccine and for her it was just like the flu. But I imagine it could've been much worse for her. I'm no virologist so take anything I say with a grain of salt but vaccines usually prevent you from even getting the virus in the first place. The MRNA vax did not do this, and all arguments for young people to get it for heard immunity lost their ground once it was discovered that vaccinated people could still contract COVID, get sick from it, and spread it around. This is not the case with traditional vaccines like measles and chickenpox

[Leo]

I don't regret getting the vaccine but in the back of my mind I occasionally worry about the unknown potential long term health effects. I'd be better off than others though if such a complication did arise, since I never got the booster

[Meliva]

i'm no expert on the subject myself, but yeah, the whole point of a vaccine, is to make you immune to whatever you're getting vaccinated against, OR, at the very least improve your resistance to getting it and dampen the effects of the disease. I believe it depends on how complex/diverse the disease or virus is. Some can be completely protected from, other's you just reduce the odds. Small pox was largely wiped out, along with several other diseases, but the flu is still extremely common.

I'm also a bit worried about how much we're beginning to rely on medicine. There is a genuine risk that since diseases evolve very fast, they slowly become more resistant and better at fighting medicine and getting past it. Meanwhile, our bodies become more reliant on outside forces(the medicine) to protect it rather then it's own natural defenses. Wouldn't be surprised if some day in the far future, humanity can't survive without super strong anti-biotics and medicine, otherwise Super Covid-2985 X would kill us all. Considering that Covid seems to be here to stay, wouldn't be surprised if we keep getting new variants of it like the flu for a very long time.

[Leo]

Yes, that seems to be the trouble with medicine that renders pathogens ineffective, is that they evolve to be resistant to the medicine and then we have to make the medicine stronger. We already have antibiotic-resistant bacteria which is a legitimate threat to us. If bacteria deadly enough such that of the black plague, were to become resistant to antibiotics, we would be in big trouble until we developed a temporary cure. That's just how it is though. It's part of evolution. Humans evolved to be the way we are now because of exactly the same thing.

[Lachlan]

I feel like the only way to be significantly better at fighting diseases is either genetic engineering to make our immune systems as efficient and as strong as it can genetically be or let a lot more people die of diseases and we will naturally make us more effective at fighting things bit by bit and for some diseases it will take at bare minimum several generations and a lot more people dying. When I have a small bacterial or viral infection nowadays my GP tells me to just let my immune system fight it by itself but of course for more serious things like when I had a severe sinus infection he then prescribes me antibiotics. Not giving people antibiotics for very minor infections is slowing down the amount of antibiotics immune bacteria which gives us more room to invent better antibiotics which will hopefully not be used so frequently and then that reduces the rate of new super bugs in the future which will eventually make that problem less severe.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Well then maybe you should make vaccines fit the definition of the word and not change the definition so you can call it a vaccine.
The fact that you believe the COVID shot is a vaccine is hilarious
People who get the polio or chicken pox vaccine are all but minutely guaranteed not to have either
But with the COVID shot, you are almost at a 50/50 chance of whether you will get it anyway

the number of politicians that invested in the companies providing the vaccine should explain why it's even called a vaccine

[Dmanwuzhere]

Chauvin's trial was historic in that it's one of the first times a cop has gotten a murder charge for this kind of thing. Unfortunately, there are hundreds of cases just like it where the cop was found not guilty and went back to work the next day without even getting a suspension. I suspect the verdict was partially due to the riots. The judge and jury knew that if he was found not guilty there would be more riots. Does that make for a fair trial? No, definitely not. But it does mean the riots were perfectly effective. Exactly what the protestors and rioters alike were calling for is exactly what happened. Sometimes actions speak louder than words.

So, should we start killing rioters and looters en masse? Actions speak louder than words and all that stuff



first times a cop has gotten a murder charge for this kind of thing

You just can't help but spout horsechit

Floyd the pos he was, made it on the list he didn't create it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_convicted_for_an_on-duty_killing_in_the_United_States

We can talk facts on the evidence presented at trial, and we can discuss why the terminology went from neck to neck area when discussing the knee location and wonder why the prosecution failed to enter into evidence the single best footage that forced the terminology to change ... but that wouldn't allow you to just spout horsechit as you see fit

[Mack]

Lmao!!

A lot of people out there just want to get their opinions heard and don't care what the truth really is enough to investigate for themselves and form an educated opinion, its just too much work

[Lachlan]

Well then maybe you should make vaccines fit the definition of the word and not change the definition so you can call it a vaccine.
The fact that you believe the COVID shot is a vaccine is hilarious
People who get the polio or chicken pox vaccine are all but minutely guaranteed not to have either
But with the COVID shot, you are almost at a 50/50 chance of whether you will get it anyway

the number of politicians that invested in the companies providing the vaccine should explain why it's even called a vaccine

Is this a response to me or someone else because nowhere in my previous message was I talking about the Covid vaccine.

Anyway you are only partially right. Some vaccines were rushed through production and were only around 50% effective. Those were chinese, russian and I think indian made vaccines none of which you guys had. I have attached a peer reviewed study that includes most of the vaccines that were used during the pandemic. It shows most were 70% effective or above.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9552389/