VUDU vs MERC - Official War Declaration

[Charles Vane]

VUDU: "It's simple!"
SHADOWOOD: "I agree to full disclosure!" "I Agree to a 30 day cease fire!"

PULPOP: "It's complicated!"
HARON: "Disclosure is not an option!"
PULPOP: *crickets*


Seems to me, as it should to the rest of Avonmora, that Merc be the unreasonable ones..

[Jack Teach]

VUDU: "It's simple!"
SHADOWOOD: "I agree to full disclosure!" "I Agree to a 30 day cease fire!"

PULPOP: "It's complicated!"
HARON: "Disclosure is not an option!"
PULPOP: *crickets*


Seems to me, as it should to the rest of Avonmora, that Merc be the unreasonable ones..

[DezNutz]

Well no sh*t.

Nowhere did I advocate the entire discussion would be made public. Otherwise it could be done in the forums. I said if an issue occurs post agreement, that the relevant parts of the PMs could be released without needing additional consent.

[Dmanwuzhere]

What Shadow wrote isn't true reality. merc was worried that the peace offered by Shadowood will not last. I asked Shadowood to offer a way to guaranty or at the very lease help us see how this peace will be maintained and as Shadow had no will to do that he asked me to give him an idea as to what could help us trust the peace will be lasting. I had few ideas that shadow took upon himself to misrepresent (and claim they where demands) and instead of trying to understand why we are worried and find it hard to trust his word he decided to write his post that does not only betray the trust that is placed around the negotiation table but also betrays the trust you all give his word, assuming there is truth behind them.

What really sits in the base of this war is the code Vudu are following. That code states that guild members are free to do what ever they like to. be it attacking players, guilds or even nations Vudu will stand behind its member, defend him and fight the outcome of his actions. While this might sound nice and libertarian the end result of that code that Vudu members can actively initiate and/or participate in a prolong hostility (aka war) while being able to hide behind his guild when he the heat is to high.

Oh shut up with your B.S. Codes? How about you attacked me and tried to make it a public spectacle and in return I dumped on you harder than you dumped on me and what you did was run and go call a war involving your whole guild and another because your pride got hurt.

Not to mention the whole reason you came at me was due to you not being able to hurt someone else.

You dare to talk chit about another guild when you have been grimy from the start as if you can say we were hired so we should not receive consequences and if we do we will cry and be childish for days.

Shadows a liar? No you are the liar, you lied the day you tried to say someone hired you to sink my ships, you lie every time you open your mouth and you want to call someone a liar.

Twist the story and make all the accusations you like but the truth is you are a immature ego driven cry baby who wants to do whatever he wants and make others the party who is wrong to everyone else

Which is why you prefer negotiations out of sight because you cant stand to be exposed for the true lying, crying, immature unreasonable demand making little tyrant you are.

[PhoenixKnight]

I appreciate that everyone feels strongly about this.

I am sure that many of not al of the involved parties would like to see it end or at least have a breathing room to recover from the stress that comes with war.

For a smoother mediation, please try to not exchange inflammatory posts.

[Charles Vane]

Has hardly gone to Inflammation in my eyes...

Simple debate, bringing forth views and sides. Avonmora should understand and be privy to the reasons why this war has continued for so long. Pointing out the *problems* so they may be resolved is only logical.

Information and consolidation of information is only normal.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I have said all I will unless further mentioned or I see or hear more unreasonable and defamatory insults. I mean calling someone a liar who has been truthful and honestly trying to stop the war is as insane as attacking a guild for not letting you run it as you see fit as an outsider.
If he wants to call Shadow a liar then he needs to provide messages showing that but I know that wont happen.

[Jack Teach]

I have said all I will unless further mentioned or I see or hear more unreasonable and defamatory insults. I mean calling someone a liar who has been truthful and honestly trying to stop the war is as insane as attacking a guild for not letting you run it as you see fit as an outsider.
If he wants to call Shadow a liar then he needs to provide messages showing that but I know that wont happen.

[PhoenixKnight]

Let’s not dwell on past actions or words and look to the future.
What does each side want to get to peace? We answer that question then come to an agreement.

[sXs]

Let’s not dwell on past actions or words and look to the future.
What does each side want to get to peace? We answer that question then come to an agreement.

Vudu is not dwelling on the past and preventing peace. Merc is the one that is requesting undue actions because of past perceived offenses.

I am done here unless PP apologizes to Shadow.