by Captain Jack » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:58 am
I usually refrain from posting at such... topics but the level of toxicity here is rising well above my liking.
First of all, the first post by Grim contains a bunch of accusations that can be described as... untrue, as the modest of descriptions.
I will reproduce the highlights and the timeline.
Grim says that the devs are lazy which issue half-ass fixes to his bug findings. Then he continues on a personal attack on me for creating half-ass rules and then disappearing.
30 minutes later, Shadowood - to my surprise- fuels his post by virtually agreeing with all what Grim said.
Some humorous post follow and 4 hours later, Deznutz decides to tear what Grim posted.
Mack finds the chance to harass the dev team and Deznutz personally.
There is a balanced comment from Feniks and then Banger finds some room to say the poet he has been saying for the last 2-3 years. Again with harassment towards me and the dev team. He also finds Grim points valid. So, apart from Grim and Shadowood, Banger is added to the short list of people who believe that the dev is a lazy person who comes up with half-ass fixes and rules and is absent from the game.
Then click comes to support dez. Both are community admins. So this escalates to player admins versus players in a way.
The next highlight that makes into my timeline of this topic, is Stans comment who puts things in place. In a follow up, he also is found to believe that I am absent but defends me by stating a well known fact. Noffin is found to believe that I am absent as well, as he underlines that I am absent for more than a month.
Then there is a post by Padrevaters who seem to confuse a bit things about dev team and player admins. A clear indication to me that the role of both the dev team and player admins should become more crystal clear.
Then some escalation which is both unwanted and unwarranted and hopefully will be closed here.
None but Dez and clockwork feel the need to disagree with Grim. Feniks too I think as he gives a different poimt of view. Maybe I am indeed a lazy dev that comes up with half-ass fixes and rules? The absent part at least has been debated a bit by Stan.
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Now we have the timeline, here are my remarks.
-I am not absent. Currently I am on a one week vacation but still I found time to deal with something that is outside of my area, with the new status. Such issues primarily fall to Meliva to resolute as the community admin. All player admins should care after all for the game image and because of this, the inputs from Dez and Clock which were towards this direction are satisfactory when someone is reviewing their ability to sustain the community from their position.
Shadowood is also a player admin but he holds a different perspective which is very disappointing for me to evaluate.
Banger has been a constant trouble from the beginning. With multiple posts that try to harm the game image. Grim seems to follow.
The game image is important as this is that creates the toxicity for a game in the long run. I always prefer it public like now as we can deal with it. However what I really prefer is no toxicity at all. We always have to remember the newcomers of the game, which are tomorrow's veterans and what we really let them believe about the game.
The best way to deal with toxicity is honesty. If you really believe that you have to deal with a lazy dev, then I am missing in communication some how and the plan with player community admins is not working.
I have seen many games, one of my own as well , to suffer under the community administration of players. If it is not working here, we can return to the previous status quo where I will have to answer everything to everyone with whatever impact this has. If this gives you the impression of an active dev, then so be it. It will come with the price of reduced implementation speed.
However, this will not be decided by Grim, Shadowood and Banger. This is a community where you exist as well. I am referring to you who are reading this now. Just like them you have a voice and the true bullying is when you have something to say and you don't.
To fuel this further, I have long read reports that when someone posts here something that certain people do not like, is later attacked in the game. This is bullying and is prohibited. I have never actually received a report for this though but it is a good time to also mention the rumours.
Or if your reason not to post is that someone covered you think again. Look how Shadowood supported the post of Grim and what signals such gives. ( yes, I will keep posting this as I want to know if Shadowood indeed agrees with Grim. ).
Posting your view, is important. It helps me understand the problem. For example, having Grim and Banger ranting in this way us usual. Seeing Shadowood agreeing is not. So somethung needs to change or improve.
Seeing Noffin and Stan For instance, thinking that I am absent is a clear sign like I analysed above.
I also always care for community input and wish for it as it also covers the need for my presence. A need that has to be limited as the game community will never flourish as long as it us tied with my decisions. It needs collective decisions. It needs to show the true views of the majority which will guide as to progression.
So, every post you make, counts.
To forum mods: Forum titles like I am leaving the game or anything relevant are to be moderates from now on to the closest title based on the actual content of the post.
