the outback

[D00T]

Weird how the article mentions the Chinese military helping make a virus that would create a casus belli…on China. Last time I ever heard a country tempting another into war was 1870.

And why would China help create a virus that could kill its population while its desperately trying to increase birth rates?

[Dmanwuzhere]

The fact it mentions nuclear armageddon is enough to know that the author is either drunk or high.

right,,, just dismiss all the technical information involving the corona that goes above your head and cling to something barely discussed because you are uncomfortable in your ignorance... i get it

poor feller

if you can surf the net you can get the 17 pages of references that go with the letter but the net mentions nuclear armageddon on it so the net may be down and unreliable that must have been what happened to docdroid where the references were originally stored

I have heard the two schools of thought regarding ventilators .... its what kept me from going to the hospital when I had covid
if you can get past the fact the net has nuclear armageddon all over it (especially of dems claiming trump was going to start it if elected) you might run up on the numbers regarding survival rate on ventilators..... that was enough for me to stay away from the hospital.
i would have hated to draw a doctor who believes in ventilators or even one that knew better but thought the 39 thousand bucks from the federal government looked good enough to collect for hooking me up and killing me

Damm the American government must be rich if every doctor in the world can collect 39 thousand bucks for treating a patient with a ventilator.

first off the hospital collects the cash not a single doctor unless he owns the hospital which is not a thing in the USA
secondly.... fact check me here is the claim

Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000

[D00T]

Then how come countries with much lower medical fees still use ventilators without running into major problems?

[Dmanwuzhere]

Then how come countries with much lower medical fees still use ventilators without running into major problems?

pull the stats of the country you have in mind so we can discuss the numbers
so I can better understand what your idea of no major problems is
but you have the reasoning of spartacus as to why ventilators should not be the go to scenario

you and I can make all the side arguments we like based on ignorance but it will not change the fact ventilators have a high death rate
lachlan wants to say its because those individuals are already far too sick to save
but the argument against ventilators was being made within weeks of covid appearing

I can name people along the Appalachians that have survived the ventilators but it doesn't change the fact they wreak havoc on a covid riddled body
and often are the cause of the patients death those that are saved by them I am sure are grateful to the orderlies who come in and turn them every few hours otherwise the machine would be more ineffective for them

lol the dyson vacuum company made a ventilator for covid i think its called the covent i joke it sucks the life right out of you honestly its a great piece of equipment but regardless ventilators have a high death rate because its the wrong tool for the job

as i said it kept me from going to the hospital and there were two nights due to irregular and strained breathing i was not certain i was going to wake up the next day yet here I am without a hole being cut in my neck or a tube being inserted by my lungs and not a statistic for ventilators or another death stacked against them.... just happily me

[D00T]

Alright I take back the part about ventilators, went through some articles and found that this country mostly uses non-invasive ones.

Edit:
Went through some more reports/articles, here's what I found:
https://www.cgmh.org.tw/cgmn/category.a ... VcIbEZBz0o
"Remdesivir was originally a drug that can inhibit the replication of Ebola virus and SARS virus. After human trials, it was preliminarily confirmed that for patients with severe COVID-19, it can not only improve clinical symptoms as soon as possible, but also reduce mortality. However, there is no significant difference in the prognosis of patients with mild illness or severe enough to use a respirator, with or without use. Therefore, it is recommended that patients with COVID-19 pneumonia have a breathing rate of more than 30 breaths per minute or suffer from respiratory distress. The phenomenon of blood oxygen or blood oxygen concentration lower than 94% should be considered as early as taridexivir."(Ran through google translate because while I understand chinese I cannot translate well)
Article also mentioned that steroids can be used in the treatment but that's already agreed on.

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/File/Get/trFQXafONr--8MGZ5g73qg
"200 patients who took ivermectin with mild symptoms within seven days of onset, compared with 200 patients who used placebo, there is no difference in the median number of days of symptom improvement (10 vs 12 days, p=0.53)"(Also translated, although I believe they meant no significant difference instead of no difference)

[D00T]

Also a funny thing I found reading through the long post(gonna refer to Spartacus' article as this) is that Taiwan is mass producing a non-RNA vaccine, and everyone here is afraid of it.

While the long post seems pretty reasonable at first, it does get ridiculous towards the end. You know mind control could have been really useful when the ANA fled before the Taliban.

[Dmanwuzhere]

Also a funny thing I found reading through the long post(gonna refer to Spartacus' article as this) is that Taiwan is mass producing a non-RNA vaccine, and everyone here is afraid of it.

While the long post seems pretty reasonable at first, it does get ridiculous towards the end. You know mind control could have been really useful when the ANA fled before the Taliban.

well I guess it depends on how advanced that research is
firstly while its not an idea I can just accept on face value the fact the researcher could give someone a shot and monitor someones heart from what was injected is proof of concept on a minute level so I cant call it lunacy

secondly the ceiling for normalcy continues changing the us is 70 percent vaxxed and now they want 96-98 percent vaxed before "normalcy" can be had

for a disease that has killed way less than 1 percent of the us population it sure seems odd to want a 96-98 percent vax rate for a vaccine that does nothing more than possibly weaken the effects of covid
I have posted before that there are 2 diseases that kill 2x and 3x what covid does .... where is the big push to eradicate those diseases or offer treatmentsfor free... both are multi billion dollar money making diseases yet... nothing

the big push the mandates the demonization of the unvaxxed makes folks like me say fook your vaccine if it doesn't come with a choice it isn't coming in this house unless I'm deceased because I've decided as it currently is I'm not getting it

when I say this house I mean me because my better half and my children can decide for themselves as they are all adults and may have reasons outside of my own to get it.
one is army bet she gets it
one is a nurse and while she is holding out I think it may eventually be mandated for her she can quit or get it no hate from me either way
my better half isn't fond of the idea but if she were ... still no hate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d525Alv_szo&t=405s

this is my biggest problem with the vax mandates from the gov for medical issues is horsecrap
but hey they may get a pres in that gets the cure for gay and he forces it on everyone with sore booties and rug burns I wonder if you would support that govt mandate
the only thing changed in that scenario is the interest group being targeted
I'm sure I could make an argument financially that taxpayers are paying for sore booties and rug burns if they are on govt assistance and as such need the gay away vax

do you think people have the right to object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds considering the WI38 ingredient knowns as human diploid lung fibroblasts are from aborted human fetal cells?

[D00T]

Don’t some countries already cure gays with bullets?

[Dmanwuzhere]

Don’t some countries already cure gays with bullets?

I dunno but they throw them off buildings for sure I've seen the vids

[D00T]

Don’t some countries already cure gays with bullets?

I dunno but they throw them off buildings for sure I've seen the vids

I thought that was Russian doctors