Leo wrote:Meliva wrote:
doubtful. I don't think the problem with our education is we are not spending enough money, it's the money being spent is being mismanaged.
It's a little of both. The entire public schools system is set up to filter out the smart and dumb kids, so that the dumb ones end up working in factories and the smart ones go to college. I think a lot of the problem is that schools dump so much money into things like advanced math classes that the vast majority of kids aren't gonna need after high school, and then put little to no money into programs actually meant to prepare students for life. For instance never got a financial literacy class, and my econ class was far from that. Never learned how to do taxes, how to apply for jobs, or even how write a resume or a cover letter. All of this I had to learn on my own. Advanced math if needed, can be taken for free at a community college for dual enrollment in almost every state if not nationwide. There's no need to have 3 different sections of advanced calculus in high schools when students who need to take those classes for their future education can spend half the time at a community college taking classes while still in high school, earning them HS and college credit. Someone who plans on going into trades probably won't need any math past maybe intermediate algebra. So why is so much money dumped into those programs? And when the budget gets tight, money is first taken away from the art and music programs. Why? And there's STILL no classes to teach you many many basic and vital skills for the real world.
But also, often times there simply just isn't enough funding. The people that run the school districts often have no teaching experience whatsoever but make 300k a year. They get to call the shots on what programs get cut, what policies to enforce and where to allocate money. My highschool got slashed $1.2M the year after I left. I can't believe we even had that much money to slash considering the quality of schooling was so terrible. But glad I made it out before the budget cuts.
I'm one of the people that does require those extra math classes. But college classes, even ones at free community college are just so much higher quality than those at high school. For one because you get to pick your professor, but also they just need to reach a higher standard of teaching. One of my high school math teachers was a 80 year old senile man that refused to retire and couldn't even form coherent sentences. We'd have been better off with Joe Biden teaching the class. Eventually he was fired though for calling one of the students the N word, hard R and everything, TWICE.
In any case, not enough funding yes but also the funds they have are being managed by people who have no clue what they're doing because they've never taught a day in their life.
this is so far off course I'm not even going to explain... you are one of the dumb ones by your own admission Leo but have free college classes and aren't in a factory... the idea you think everyone in a factory is dumb shows your ignorance and entitlement and sounds a bit elitist coming from a moron
you have no excuse not to have either a crappy associate's degree or a bachelor's degree if you fall within the poverty line for your state in some cases this includes your parents. In the past and still today due to hardship in maintaining a class. our unskilled workers vs academic workers fell not on the intelligence of the students but their level of economic wealth or lack thereof. Pell Grants are changing a lot of that
Maximum Pell Grant Eligibility Criteria
This section describes eligibility criteria to qualify for a Max Pell Grant and the “Max Pell Indicator” value that you will see on the student’s ISIR.
Dependent Student
Max Pell Indicator
Eligibility Criteria
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The student’s parent(s) is not required to file a federal income tax return.
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The student’s parent is a single parent and has an AGI greater than zero and less than or equal to 225% of the poverty guideline for the applicant’s family size and state of residence.
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The student’s parent is not a single parent and has an AGI greater than zero and less than or equal to 175% of the poverty guideline for the applicant’s family size and state of residence.
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Independent Student
Max Pell Indicator
Eligibility Criteria
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The student (and spouse, if applicable) is not required to file a federal income tax return.
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The student is a single parent and has an AGI greater than zero and less than or equal to 225% of the poverty guideline for the applicant’s family size and state of residence.
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The student is not a single parent and has an AGI greater than zero and less than or equal to 175% of the poverty guideline for the applicant’s family size and state of residence.
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Maximum Pell Grant Eligibility
Poverty Guidelines
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) annually produces poverty guidelines by state of residence. Use the U.S. Federal Poverty Guidelines Used to Determine Financial Eligibility for Certain Programs for the prior-prior tax year (e.g., for the 2024–25 award year, use the 2022 poverty guideline) by state of legal residence to determine a student’s eligibility for Max or Min Pell.
