UK official declaration of War

[Meliva]

Please post your other intel. I keep hearing about this intel, but no one has said what it is. I have yet to see anything other than Baramas Topic and Influence Purchases on a port that occurred after the UK gave up ownership to that port.

They might not be able to due to the rules about not posting information without the other party's consent. Though I admit that the evidence they have posted isn't really enough to prove the US is the culprit.

It is so much easier to find those who who did not commit the act that to find evidence that one is guilty of charged offence.
You eliminate the No's and who you have left, some or one is guilty. Courts of Avonmora rules. Regular civil court rules don't apply here despite Dez's attempt to apply them.

I admit I have no knowledge of whatever evidence they have that proves the US's guilt. I merely state that what knowledge I do have of what evidence is publicly available is not enough in my opinion to justify their claim of the US's guilt. If I had full knowledge of their evidence that could very easily change my belief, though since there is no purpose in me having that knowledge, and no desire other then idle curiosity for me to gain that knowledge, I will probably remain ignorant of said evidence.

[sXs]

No I am just pointing out the idiocy of the argument you have used several times now. Any port card cast is a nation action. Prop Cons and BDs all nation action cards no matter who cast them. This subjects the Nation of the caster of the cards as a target and part in parcel, partly responsible for the action.

I have to disagree with that. By that logic if I decided to lets say switch nations to Spain, and hit the UK that thereby means Spain is partly responsible for my action? Going by that logic will most surely lead to MANY wars. Nothing to stop someone from switching to a nation and casting just to cause a war between them and the UK.

There is a huge difference between casting cards to complete nation change missions and casting propaganda to the tune of 35 million gold worth of influence.

[Xxmontyxx]

I hereby ask for immediate arbitration for the settling of this dispute peacefully ...

[Meliva]

No I am just pointing out the idiocy of the argument you have used several times now. Any port card cast is a nation action. Prop Cons and BDs all nation action cards no matter who cast them. This subjects the Nation of the caster of the cards as a target and part in parcel, partly responsible for the action.

I have to disagree with that. By that logic if I decided to lets say switch nations to Spain, and hit the UK that thereby means Spain is partly responsible for my action? Going by that logic will most surely lead to MANY wars. Nothing to stop someone from switching to a nation and casting just to cause a war between them and the UK.

There is a huge difference between casting cards to complete nation change missions and casting propaganda to the tune of 35 gold million worth of influence.

I was not referring to missions in my statement, but rather if I were to switch to Spain, hit the UK very hard just for the sake of hitting it, and then the UK blames Spain in part for my actions. Its flawed logic in my opinion, you cant blame an entire nation for the actions of a few. Doing so just ends up making many more enemies that can be avoided.

[Meliva]

I hereby ask for immediate arbitration for the settling of this dispute peacefully ...

If both sides are willing to try to end this dispute peacefully I am willing to act as an intermediary. Granted I'm no PK

[PhoenixKnight]

I don't think that they are at a let's sit down and talk point yet. This probably will go on for a few more days if you ask me.

[Meliva]

I don't think that they are at a let's sit down and talk point yet. This probably will go on for a few more days if you ask me.

Yeah probably, but hey never hurts to ask

[sXs]

Conspiracy and Propaganda cards affect influence which is a nation mechanic. It affects a nations ability to hold a port, therefore they are nation actions. Yes propaganda only affect a single person but the affect is the same on the nation. I see your point but disagree completely.

[Meliva]

Conspiracy and Propaganda cards affect influence which is a nation mechanic. It affects a nations ability to hold a port, therefore they are a nation action. Yes propaganda only affect a single person but the affect is the same. I see your point but disagree completely.

I see your point as well, but going by that logic a player could very easily damage a nation by joining it for the express purpose of starting a war by using Nation voodoo against a foreign nation. Thereby weakening both nations and allowing both pirates and 3rd party nations to benefit. Also what if a nations council has no idea a citizen is committing such acts, and if they had known would condemn such a person, Is the nation still guilty despite condemning the individual committing the crime? Regardless this is all conjecture at this point. If you believe this is the right course of action for the UK, then by all means continue. If you later wish to end hostilities I'm more then willing to help.

[PhoenixKnight]

Conspiracy and Propaganda cards affect influence which is a nation mechanic. It affects a nations ability to hold a port, therefore they are nation actions. Yes propaganda only affect a single person but the affect is the same on the nation. I see your point but disagree completely.

Feniks, with all due respect, no one can control at this point in the game who joins or leaves a country. I can join UK today and attack Spain with Propaganda, conspiracy and black death. If UK were to be held accountable for my actions then you are correct. The thing is, UK would not be accountable in this scenario, hence, I feel that the logic is potentially flawed.

I do understand that you are saying that someone carrying the USA nationality is responsible, however you cannot hold everyone responsible.

May I also point out that so far as I read, it is nearly all Dukes who are in VUDU making the accusations. I have not heard an official statement from your Ben Scarlett who was the king of UK till the last update. In fact, I see no post by anyone in the council of UK but the 3 VUDU members.

Is it possible that this whole is a plot from the 3 VUDU members who are looking for some additional action?