Trump 2020!

[Mack]

i think you have to somewhat care to resarch like that...

just like i care enough to read about thier stuff they care enough to read about my stuff

[Caladan]

I can't speak for anyone else but myself, and pretty much the only reason i care to read about US politics and military actions, is because of how it affects the rest of the world. which rarely are positive effects...

[Mack]

you choosing to only see bad things does not mean thats all the US does.. we indeed help the wold in a great way.. i will not waste my time writeing about the many things we do for the many nations in the world.. i am sorry for those that cant see through thier own hatred

[Caladan]

I never said i only see the bad things, i'm sure there are many good things you do also.
But you often give the impression that you are the only ones doing anything, anywhere.
Like Meliva said, she wants other countries to step up also, they have done so, but you are too occupied with beating your chests to see that.
I have no hate for anyone, so you can't pull that card

[Dmanwuzhere]

if you do not wish to read caladan it do not click on it you are already aware of its contents
but like everything else you feel your opinion should be heard
im all for that
obviously several other people are fine with discussing it
but to try and discourage a topic shows where the real tyrannical tendencies lie

as for the bible or the koran i can only say your ignorance whit is readily seen there as well
i am not going into the bible as its a lot deeper than you are capable of
and as for the koran i find it passages within it to go against my basic ideas of religion so i wont discuss it further
but i will say anyone quoting the bible as a means to commit murder has not read it properly

as for wars and your ideas of what should or shouldnt occur only leads me to be grateful you wield no power

sure we had slavery and in case you didnt know it ended some time ago lol

is switzerland without faults?

how recent were women allowed to vote?
why were women not allowed to run in races
why is suicide legal and prevalent there?
speaking of slavery wasnt the apology for kidnapping and enslaving 500k children for labor valued at 20 billion francs given in 2013?
isnt switzerland the number 2 weapon provider in the world and in fact garners profits from war?
hows that horsemeat i will take your word for it as i dont intend to follow up and try it but its funny you kill horses but cant have just 1 guinea pig because by law they have to have a buddy or they will be sad lol
bribes are legal lol

to pretend your country is without faults is siilly and it in fact has quite a few
have you taken your doors or locks off yet lol

[Caladan]

When have i tried to discourage the topic?
And since i'm not from Switzerland, i haven't made any comments about it...
I'm from Norway, and we do have our share of faults, i'm the first to admit that. But we don't go around overthrowing governments just so that we can improve our own position...
I'm an atheist, so i haven't studied neither the Koran or the Bible in depth. But both speak about killing non-believers

[Dmanwuzhere]

When have i tried to discourage the topic?
And since i'm not from Switzerland, i haven't made any comments about it...
I'm from Norway, and we do have our share of faults, i'm the first to admit that. But we don't go around overthrowing governments just so that we can improve our own position...
I'm an atheist, so i haven't studied neither the Koran or the Bible in depth. But both speak about killing non-believers

what is meant for you says caladan and what was meant for whit says whit lol

[Meliva]

"And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman."

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

Those are from the bible, no better in my opinion.

So you think it's good that Isreal is trying to wipe out the Palestine's?
In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected Prime Minister, who were doing alot of good for his country, but he decided to nationalize the Iranion oil industry, and that was something the US and UK couldn't allow. And we all know how all that turned out.....
And what about the taliban? Pinochet in Chile? those had good outcomes?

We, Norway, gives Billions in aid every year as well, but we don't go around beating our chests about it

Did I every say I approve of the bible either? Because I don't-I'm an Agnostic Atheist- I have a distaste for both it, and the Quran. Both are horrid books with horrid lessons in my opinion, but again, religion isn't meant to be discussed in forums, so if you or anyone wishes to discuss matters of faith with me, do so in PM's. I welcome debate about it frankly, as I think nothing should be exempt from critical thinking and criticism.

And oh yes, it's not like the Palestines don't wanna wipe out Israel or anything. I mean it's not like they have straight up said they would never recognize Israel as a country and would never stop until it's gone. Look the jews have suffered enough over all these countless years-let the poor blokes have that tiny little country and live in peace FFS. But sadly because that tiny bit of land is supposedly the holy land people are willing to kill and die over such a small bit of land. I think it's so stupid frankly.

I also don't go around bragging about the money the US donates-but you literally asked me what good do we do. So I gave an example. If I asked what good does Norway do, I would expect you to tell me you also donate money as well. Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear an answer for it mate.

I don't believe the US is perfect or anything. We do F*ck up sometimes. Everyone does. Sometimes we make things worse.

[Meliva]

Meliva,
USA have segregated (and sometimes even killed) black people in the last century and nobody intervened because you had bad human rights. Because we all fix our own problems, we don't intervene elsewhere. And please, talk to iranians instead of repeating what you read from american sources. Teheran is not a capital full of talibans murdering, it is not anymore the iran of 1980-90. Iran is a quite prosper nation, of course still full of religious conceptions, but still quite prospering in every domain. But again, who is trump to murder people around just because they are bad in their own countries lol ... USA intervened too many times, stay quiet and in your corner, you are not the world police. As Calavan said, USA started too many wars and interfered too many times in political process just to improve their geopolitical power.
On human rights, USA is not a great model lol. better not teaching lessons cause you are not the best example.

The bible is also full of violence lol not only the coran. By the way, they are killing each other for the same religion, ISLAM. just iran is shiite while all american allies (Saudi arabia, ...) are sunnites. Magically even Syrian dictator Al Assad is shiite and allied to iran. And magically USA are against Syrian dictator, against iran and supporting their sunnite allies (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, ...).

Intervening in Korea just because communists would have taken the region ? who cares lol. Intervening in Vietnam cause they were becoming communists. Intervening in Afghanistan just to annoy soviets. Intervening in irak for never found mass destruction weapons. Intervening in Syria just to annoy russia and now even killing a general who was killing ISIS. Intervening in Iran asking them not to detain nuclear weapons when USA are the largest detainer of nuclear weapons. Embargo on Cuba because they were communists. Intervening in guatemala by helping narcos to destabilize them (now narcos are ultra powerful mafia at the border with USA). During the last century, the bloodiest army in the world has been the US army, killing more people on this planet during all its wars.
Well done ... lol

I always said the same thing. USA should fix its own problems instead of going around waging war. And yeah nobody cares about what USA do, just stop financing military systems around the globe to obtain people on your side to fight your wars. HEre many countries left or plan to leave you alone in afghanistan, many politicians lost their seats cause they wasted life in afghanistan to follow USA.

About migrants, there is a nice quote i heard once in italy. Also a country where people cry for migrants stealing jobs. If a migrant who doesn't speak your language, without a diploma and without any contacts steal your job ... you are maybe a f*king idiot and if american firms hire migrants to pay them less, this is a problem generated by american, making other americans suffering from it. It isn't a problem generated by migrants, but by firms which hire migrants lol. Here in switzerland we have many different types of Visas. You can enter as a refugeee but then respecting some laws and it is temporary. Then you can acquire other documents to stay as a temporary resident, then permanent resident and then even taking the citizenship. But this takes time ! you need to learn not only 1 language but 3, cause switzerland has 3 national languages. you need to integrate yourself or in the process if you don't fulfill some requirements, they bring you home. Intead of just bringing people back to mexico cause they are illegals.

Oh and the iranian general worked for a water company, then he became part of the islamic revolutionary guards, a military group of Iran helping other shiites nations or groups. Of course many of those groups fight against Israel and Sunnite nations (allied with USA). it is normal that USA consider them enemies, and at the same time they consider also as an enemy the general commanding those guards ... but now, killing him ... they will strike on USA or even make new terroristic attacks, just because you wanted to kill a general lol.


And Caladan is right. Israel is a state created in 1948 from english and french colonies in the middle east ! of course if you put jew colons in a territory with muslim palestinese, a war will start. But of course, when USA declare a new country, everyone have to follow or they are terrorists. Palestina is just "defending" their own territories, but Hezbollah is defined as terroristic group by USA. Stop intervening and maybe things will be better.

I'm not just talking about the horrible things in Iran. Most areas in the middle east commit awful crimes and have awful human rights. And yes, the US used to have segregation-we ended it though. But saying that you should never intervene in other countries is completely immoral frankly. If you heard your neighbors having a fight, and noticed the husband started beating the wife, or vice versa, and this goes on every day would you just say "I'll let them solve their own problem. It's not my house so lol why should I care?" Or would you call the damn police and have the abuser arrested?

All it takes for evil to prosper is for the good to do nothing. It's easy for people like you, and me to just ignore what happens in other countries. To say let them fix it themselves. Well sad to say, odds are without outside intervention, people in many countries are going to suffer under cruel and evil laws.

And as for a war starting because jews now inhabit Israel, well gee, who struck the first blow? The poor jews have had a hard enough time, and the country they were given isn't all that big. But because it's "holy" folks gotta fight over it. But frankly, folks need to just let them live in peace. But nope. Their neighbors are so anti-Semitic that they are determined to wipe them off the face of the earth. How many wars has Israel STARTED? Every single one of their wars has been a DEFENSIVE war. The only one I recall that wasn't was the 6 day war, which while they did strike first, it was due to the fact that their neighbors were lining up the borders with troops and tanks. And something tells me, it wasn't to throw a party.

[Mack]

And Caladan is right. Israel is a state created in 1948 from english and french colonies in the middle east ! of course if you put jew colons in a territory with muslim palestinese, a war will start. But of course, when USA declare a new country, everyone have to follow or they are terrorists. Palestina is just "defending" their own territories, but Hezbollah is defined as terroristic group by USA. Stop intervening and maybe things will be better.

wrong! The United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it. In May 1948, Israel was officially declared an independent state with David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, as the prime minister.