Enemy of the Crown - Big Tea of Tokelau

[Lefty]

As an experienced King, I say it was a well conceived plan.
I enjoyed the Enemy of the crown abilities.
There was no wrong or right in this action.
Perhaps some thing to be learned, is all.
Options are just that, options.
And this was a successful option.

[Dmanwuzhere]

I guess my definition of a ceasefire is different from yours.
I guess I need to add that all of this stems from an action wherein Bigtea decided to quit.
And for me that was surprising, but you have experienced him quitting in the past, and still chose to loan not millions but a billion or more to him.
While I have seen another comrade posting in this thread about not minding due compensation,
There has been no resolve from Vudu as a whole and certainly not from our spokesman.
It is entirely possible I missed the communication you and him may have had and if I did, my apologies.
However if I did not miss anything, I rue the day I was forced to disbelieve the words of SHM or of BS,
two guys that until now I would have believed over most players and possibly CJ himself.
Sad day for me, to realize Lmms are more valuable than the word of two men I thought to be honest.
Who have lowered a ship tax to gain from someone they claim is in no way contributing to his flag and declared him an eotc.
If there is honesty in all of this, it is in this post of mine as your actions have denounced the truth as you have represented it.
Thank you for reminding me the crooked politicians in the Americas can be seen in every nook and cranny the mind can conceive.

[sXs]

To be clear about my post in this thread.

This is a question for CJ then. My understanding of the deportation mechanics would say he should be able to be deported based on "last active".

I have no issue with TOK taking actions to recoup any outstanding debts, but it should have been dealt with differently.

There is a qualifier in my statement. "It should have been dealt with differently."

Now TOK has doubled down on their decision.....

I have ordered Tokelau to now stand down

So what should be our reaction now? In here I agree with dman. A trust has been broken. One of the sacred truths of Avonmora, at least as long as I have been around, Is that the honesty and integrity of certain Sailors is never to be questioned.

I do understand Tok as a nation reimbursed BigTea for bank upgrades to the tune of possibly billions. I also know that on the ledger, Bigtea's debts had all been paid, at least I remember him stating as much.

A nation has no recourse against a single player. There is no nation bounty or debt collection system. So none of the actions taken actually compensate the nation of Tok, they only serve to put coin in the individual pockets of its member, the very same members that have from the start proclaimed to be "peaceful bankers".

[William one eye]

Handling of this issue aside,

As for deportation

The higher ranking and more influence the player the longer it takes to be able to deport. A citizen is around 30 days. A duke or a king takes a lot longer.


Easy deportation if the player has ships is to raise ship tax, implement hostillity penalty for non payment, cast taxation on them and wait. Would have been easy with his ship count. If you really want him out.
you are making it more difficult by defleeting him.

Likewise if you wanted to keep him in to support his bank customers, and keep benefit from bank charter with out burning diplomats you could have altered your hostillity laws.

[William one eye]

Also if a vudu player is truely inactive they will be kicked and farmed pretty fast. As our rule is generally to help them get started back up. Farming them supports this, and in a few cases i have given a player back the exact ships I plundered off them when they went inactive because i had kept track of the IDs

[Sir Henry Morgan]

On July 21st, Tokelau initiated hostilities against Big Tea for attrocities against our nation. After our first wave of attacks, I called a cease fire to provide a window of time for VUDU to deal with their part of the situation - what to do with Big Tea. In that time, I contacted VUDU's guildmaster, Shadowood, in an effort to contact Big Tea. I received a brief response that affirmed Shadowood had received my message.

On July 24th, I had heard no more from Big Tea, nor from Shadowood, so Tokelau ended the cease fire to continue our campaign against Big Tea. As I am writing this message, I have heard from Shadowood that Big Tea has read his out of game messages, but not responded. He assumes (as do I) that Big Tea is not returning to Avonmora.

Tokelau will resume the campaign to defleet Big Tea.

As for whether we chose to deport or declare an Enemy of the Crown, or change our laws, or to whom we disburse treasury funds, that is Tokelau business. I would not perceive it my place to tell any King or Queen and their council or any guild or any individual how to handle their own affairs, I am no expert on running a nation, I depend upon my council to aid me in running Tokelau.

I also do not intend to tell VUDU how to handle the situation, either. If they wish to defend him, that their business. If they decide to kick Big Tea out of the guild, they are welcome to join us in defleeting Big Tea.

[sXs]

On July 21st, Tokelau initiated hostilities against Big Tea for attrocities against our nation. After our first wave of attacks, I called a cease fire to provide a window of time for VUDU to deal with their part of the situation - what to do with Big Tea. In that time, I contacted VUDU's guildmaster, Shadowood, in an effort to contact Big Tea. I received a brief response that affirmed Shadowood had received my message.

On July 24th, I had heard no more from Big Tea, nor from Shadowood, so Tokelau ended the cease fire to continue our campaign against Big Tea. As I am writing this message, I have heard from Shadowood that Big Tea has read his out of game messages, but not responded. He assumes (as do I) that Big Tea is not returning to Avonmora.

Tokelau will resume the campaign to defleet Big Tea.

As for whether we chose to deport or declare an Enemy of the Crown, or change our laws, or to whom we disburse treasury funds, that is Tokelau business. I would not perceive it my place to tell any King or Queen and their council or any guild or any individual how to handle their own affairs, I am no expert on running a nation, I depend upon my council to aid me in running Tokelau.

I also do not intend to tell VUDU how to handle the situation, either. If they wish to defend him, that their business. If they decide to kick Big Tea out of the guild, they are welcome to join us in defleeting Big Tea.

You are absolutely correct in everything you have stated except for 1. The nation of Tokelau gains nothing from this type of action. This nation itself is not gaining the ships, the nation itself is not gaining gold from this raid. Individuals that may be flying the flag of Tokelau are gaining. Along with the scavengers that jump in and take advantage because of your actions.

This can not in anyway be considered a nation action because nations can not initiate such action. The nation does not have fleets. The nation does not have captains or officers.

Be it right or wrong, that is the facts. This can not be an action conducted by a Nation action because the nation itself does not benefit.

Now there have been several proposals to change this, but none have been implemented.

Since a nation itself can not benefit, then this can only be deemed as attacks by individuals against a guildmate. Active or inactive makes no difference. All guild protect their own for whatever reason they deem necessary.

Do not claim this falls under nation business because the nation itself can not recoup the losses it has endured by BigTeas absence.

[Lefty]

That is all I will say as I am no spokesman for anyone but myself.

To douchebagman I say...
Stop acting all high and mighty. Please follow your own advice from above. No one really cares about your opinion.
To the reat of VUDU I say....
Get over it. We plundered one of your members as a nation. If you think about it, pretty impressive. We had plenty of reasons for doing so. Not, just because we could.

[Banger]

That is all I will say as I am no spokesman for anyone but myself.

To douchebagman I say...
Stop acting all high and mighty. Please follow your own advice from above. No one really cares about your opinion.
To the reat of VUDU I say....
Get over it. We plundered one of your members as a nation. If you think about it, pretty impressive. We had plenty of reasons for doing so. Not, just because we could.

You guys got tail ships, *slow clap*

[sXs]

That is all I will say as I am no spokesman for anyone but myself.

To douchebagman I say...
Stop acting all high and mighty. Please follow your own advice from above. No one really cares about your opinion.
To the reat of VUDU I say....
Get over it. We plundered one of your members as a nation. If you think about it, pretty impressive. We had plenty of reasons for doing so. Not, just because we could.

No a group of people who happen to fly the same flag attacked a guildmate.

None of the gold plundered went into the nation coffers. None of the ship taken became the property of the nation. This is not in anyway associated with the nation of Tokelau. This was a vendetta and opportunity.

Do us all a favor and at least admit to that. Otherwise your words are hollow.