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Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:03 pm
by Sir Thalius Hayle
I would like to suggest/request a means be placed within the nation ranking system that allows a nation member to give up ranks within the nation should they choose to do so.

Example:

Let's say a nation wants to give certain benefits to players holding a military ranking to encourage and support them as they play a military role within the nation. Let us then say that a player holding a nobility rank wants to change their role and enter into a military class. They should be able to reduce their rank without having to leave the nation and re-enter it from the bottom up.

A suggestion on implementation of this idea would be to give a player who has ranked up in a nation the option to request a specific rank that is below the one they currently hold. When they do this, either allow for the rank to simply be given, or allow that they would be given a nation mission that would land them in that desired rank once completed. Once they give up their current rank though, ranking back up in the future would require them to advance through the current nation ranking system.

Things could just stay as they are currently and require the player to start over from the beginning, but it would make more sense from a logical perspective to make it simpler for ranked players to rearrange their position within their nation without having to go through the trouble of leaving it and burning all the required resources to get back to a lower rank they have already proven they can hold.

Humbly but fervently submitted for feedback...
~TH~

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:41 pm
by William one eye
+1. Suggested this as an option for pirate republic. It should be possible in regular nations as well. I think this could be a useful feature especially if different ranks offered different benefits. Currently this has little use, but it could very useful if more features are added to nations in the future. This would also mean if you held lots of influence, but wanted to not be king governor or duke, you could resign your position without re ranking, or dropping your influence.

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:51 am
by Astragek
+1

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:54 pm
by sXs
William one eye wrote:+1. Suggested this as an option for pirate republic. It should be possible in regular nations as well. I think this could be a useful feature especially if different ranks offered different benefits. Currently this has little use, but it could very useful if more features are added to nations in the future. This would also mean if you held lots of influence, but wanted to not be king governor or duke, you could resign your position without re ranking, or dropping your influence.


Just curious Will. Any ideas on how you could raise again if needed after you resigned a position?

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:00 pm
by William one eye
I would suggest, you would have to run missions to rank back up, but only from the rank you choose to drop to.

If you are moving back from marquess to duke, governor or king. There would have to be an option to withdraw the resignation, then you would again advance based on influence. I suggest you could possibly choose the higest level you wish to hold. So each resignation is separate, and each can be revoked individually

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:11 pm
by Captain harlock
+1 :pirateflag

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:35 pm
by Most Lee Harmless
I dont see the need for this : rank is simple enough : if you dont want to be a king, then dont gather the most influence : if you want another to be king, support their influence, via CD's or pay-outs to buy influence, and let them take the throne.
Being a governor is the same (until royal appointments upgrade comes in).

Dropping rank seems to only have the one purpose : to qualify for a better stipend or to enable another to qualify for a higher one (making room for a governor or duke on council) : I dont see why that should be free or easy : work for the benefit you or they seek, do the missions and stop at the highest rank you desire.

There are many more beneficial upgrades and improvements already accepted that should use the time to develop and implement : this is so minimal in terms of benefits to the game overall, its way at the back of any queue.

Re: Allow Option for Change of Rank Within the Nation

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:16 pm
by Sir Thalius Hayle
Danik wrote:I dont see the need for this : rank is simple enough : if you dont want to be a king, then dont gather the most influence : if you want another to be king, support their influence, via CD's or pay-outs to buy influence, and let them take the throne.
Being a governor is the same (until royal appointments upgrade comes in).

Dropping rank seems to only have the one purpose : to qualify for a better stipend or to enable another to qualify for a higher one (making room for a governor or duke on council) : I dont see why that should be free or easy : work for the benefit you or they seek, do the missions and stop at the highest rank you desire.

There are many more beneficial upgrades and improvements already accepted that should use the time to develop and implement : this is so minimal in terms of benefits to the game overall, its way at the back of any queue.



Why should it not make sense that a player that has a higher influence should be allowed the choice to let another be King or governor in their place if they so choose without having to tank their influence or invest a fortune in someone elses? That makes no sense. Why should a player not be allowed to remain a Marquess and forgo the promotion to Duke and a council seat if they wanted to let another have the council position in their place? That is not how it works in real life, and, while this is a game, it is aiming to be somewhat logical and realistic where it can and should be.

This was not even the point of my original post, but I do like the ramifications that such an option would provide as William pointed out.

Politics within a nation would take on a much more interesting dynamic if ranked and influential players could opt to not take a position in a nation and allow someone else to have the position. Their rank and influence would, however, allow them at any point to forgo their demotion and take the position away from the other player should they become displeased with them or otherwise change their mind about wanting the council/governor/king position.

It could bring a lot to the table with regard to the internal politics of a nation.