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Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:33 pm
by Leo
I would like to propose that the piercing chance for generosity be lowered. Right now it's at 100%, which means that even if the target has a mindbar and countercurses up, the cast will be successful. A guild casting generosity on someone who is lit foils any attempts to steal ships. So, I am suggesting that the piercing be lowered to 25 or 50%. Right now the card is overpowered. What do others think?

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:35 pm
by xPROx
Plan your raids better

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:50 pm
by DezNutz
So when a card fails for instance due to a Mindbar or Countercurse, the card and the turns used to cast it are gone. Generosity include 500k gc, what do you suggest happens with that gc based on your suggestion?

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:42 pm
by Haron
Generosity is an extremely powerful defensive card. No doubt about that. Still, I'm not sure a change is needed. If the target has an MB, he is also protected against voodoo like ambush, vengeance, booty master and so on. So casting an MB when trying to steal a ship will not occur often. And it can be bypassed by casting several, anyway.

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:09 pm
by Leo
DezNutz wrote:So when a card fails for instance due to a Mindbar or Countercurse, the card and the turns used to cast it are gone. Generosity include 500k gc, what do you suggest happens with that gc based on your suggestion?


As I see it, the cast would be blocked, meaning the transfer of gold would be cancelled. Just like any other voodoo.

Now, even a very well planned raid can still be squished by a generosity or two. There's always a chance that a guildmate will be online and cast generosity, and there is literally nothing, that the attacker can do to prevent that. However, if the piercing were lowered to even say, 90%, the attacker could put up 10 CCs on the target and the chances that the cast would make it through would be significantly lower, since it would have to roll 90% for each CC.

Just think about it: the fact that just one card, cast by a guildmate, can spoil an entire raid, doesn't that seem at least a little OP?

Leo....Stealing ships a little harder than you thought? :D so...you want to change a card? :D

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:36 pm
by William Pitt
Señor Bigote wrote:As I see it, the cast would be blocked, meaning the transfer of gold would be cancelled. Just like any other voodoo.


So the card is lost, the turns are lost, but the gold is not?


Señor Bigote wrote:Now, even a very well planned raid can still be squished by a generosity or two. There's always a chance that a guildmate will be online and cast generosity, and there is literally nothing, that the attacker can do to prevent that. However, if the piercing were lowered to even say, 90%, the attacker could put up 10 CCs on the target and the chances that the cast would make it through would be significantly lower, since it would have to roll 90% for each CC.


Any guildmember assisting will be able to see the CC's, and with 90% piercing, after burning through CC's, it is highly unlikely the MB will stop it.

Señor Bigote wrote:Just think about it: the fact that just one card, cast by a guildmate, can spoil an entire raid, doesn't that seem at least a little OP?

There are many cards that can spoil a raid. Let the card stay.
:beer

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:18 pm
by Zephore
Ultimately the raid tends to boil down to Levi's on tail, ambushes etc. - in many cases at least.


See... That's where you don't put defences on the target, to avoid the actual defence...

Come again, when you've got some practice

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:31 am
by Dmanwuzhere
what do you think the purpose of a guild is?
that card is a guild tool to save your butt plenty of raids have failed due to it and ts and mb and and and the list goes on until you have
learned all your voodoo
raids have been made harder to pull off but they happen often
its not the card that causes you to fail its a lack of skill or bad timing or even bad luck
but in this way it keeps the raider hungry if you grow fat from easy raids what is there to brag about?

Re: Generosity piercing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:47 am
by Argo
Señor Bigote wrote:I would like to propose that the piercing chance for generosity be lowered. Right now it's at 100%, which means that even if the target has a mindbar and countercurses up, the cast will be successful. A guild casting generosity on someone who is lit foils any attempts to steal ships. So, I am suggesting that the piercing be lowered to 25 or 50%. Right now the card is overpowered. What do others think?


Leo It sounds like perhaps ship stealing may not be as easy as you'd like it to be? :D So you want to change the card instead? :D