I am proposing ridding the game of undercover voodoo or at least a possible counter. Under cover voodoo is one of the lowest forms of game play, only slightly above that of witch doctors.

Two possible solutions, either rid cards of the undercover aspect, or create a new card.

New card possibility

Double Agent

Turns required 8

Reveals last 20 cards cast by target.

I am firmly against adding new cards but this is a possible compromise. The card would not rid the game completely of the undercover nature of some other cards, but it is a possible counter. This card is not an end all. you would not be guaranteed to find the dastardly culprit, but you could use it to narrow down the prospects.

There is no defense against conspiracy cards, there is no defense against Black Deaths. I will admit that the positives, at least with current game play mechanics, outweigh the negatives with both cards.

The proposed new cards would not prevent any action, but would give some possible counters. Information is power. But there are no guarantees with this card eith.

I'm rather on the fence about this. If we remove undercover status then that makes fame even more useless, but a counter like you suggest would be fine, though I'm still on the fence about that too. and thinking about it, if multiple undercover voodoo is used on you, casting cards with avenge will let you know if the person you hit is the culprit, which would somewhat make this proposed card a bit pointless.

Meliva wrote:I'm rather on the fence about this. If we remove undercover status then that makes fame even more useless, but a counter like you suggest would be fine, though I'm still on the fence about that too. and thinking about it, if multiple undercover voodoo is used on you, casting cards with avenge will let you know if the person you hit is the culprit, which would somewhat make this proposed card a bit pointless.

Avenge cards would not work if the cards cast were Black death or Conspiracy. Those cards are cast on nations not players.

Feniks wrote:

Meliva wrote:I'm rather on the fence about this. If we remove undercover status then that makes fame even more useless, but a counter like you suggest would be fine, though I'm still on the fence about that too. and thinking about it, if multiple undercover voodoo is used on you, casting cards with avenge will let you know if the person you hit is the culprit, which would somewhat make this proposed card a bit pointless.

Avenge cards would not work if the cards cast were Black death or Conspiracy. Those cards are cast on nations not players.

I was referring to just undercover cards and not those 2. As far as I'm aware if for example I cast 3 undercover voodoo on you, and you hit me with a confuse, the avenge effect would kick in and you would know it was me who cast the voodoo.

Meliva wrote:

Feniks wrote:

Meliva wrote:I'm rather on the fence about this. If we remove undercover status then that makes fame even more useless, but a counter like you suggest would be fine, though I'm still on the fence about that too. and thinking about it, if multiple undercover voodoo is used on you, casting cards with avenge will let you know if the person you hit is the culprit, which would somewhat make this proposed card a bit pointless.

Avenge cards would not work if the cards cast were Black death or Conspiracy. Those cards are cast on nations not players.

I was referring to just undercover cards and not those 2. As far as I'm aware if for example I cast 3 undercover voodoo on you, and you hit me with a confuse, the avenge effect would kick in and you would know it was me who cast the voodoo.

Aye but what about those two specifically.

I disagree it would damper fame value even more as far as nation xards and ports there were talk about making castings of these cards trigger event for king or governors I forgot details but it was in talks.

Meliva wrote:I'm rather on the fence about this. If we remove undercover status then that makes fame even more useless, but a counter like you suggest would be fine, though I'm still on the fence about that too. and thinking about it, if multiple undercover voodoo is used on you, casting cards with avenge will let you know if the person you hit is the culprit, which would somewhat make this proposed card a bit pointless.

I'm pretty sure that avenge abilities do not include undercover casts.

DezNutz wrote:

Meliva wrote:I'm rather on the fence about this. If we remove undercover status then that makes fame even more useless, but a counter like you suggest would be fine, though I'm still on the fence about that too. and thinking about it, if multiple undercover voodoo is used on you, casting cards with avenge will let you know if the person you hit is the culprit, which would somewhat make this proposed card a bit pointless.

I'm pretty sure that avenge abilities do not include undercover casts.

I wonder if anyone has tested that out. I would assume it would work, but i have never done it.

This is too vague and general to be considered a suggestion so I moved it to discussion thread instead.

When you want something changed, you need to list the reasons in detail and be specific to the problem. Or else you can never hope to get the necessary attention to it by the development team.

Since anyone may have a simple idea or will, like this one, but not everyone can be in a position to properly create a suggestion, the discussion thread should be preferred instead. In this way, other players can help out in evolving an idea to an actual suggestion.

I like the the thought and would support a card of this type.