Extended Griefing is prohibited

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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Vane » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:27 pm

TKP acting against griefers is the exact definition of moderating ;)
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby sXs » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:32 pm

Sir Edward Pellew wrote:TKP acting against griefers is the exact definition of moderating ;)


Go back to Plato's debate of justice and the just man.

In your mind TKP may be seen as the moderator, from dmans perspective TKP is the guilty party.

Eye of the beholder I dare say.

Actually a Socratic debate which was revisited in The Republic of Plato.
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:13 am

Sir Edward Pellew wrote:TKP acting against griefers is the exact definition of moderating ;)


Lol, TKP made no profit. It was not moderating it was griefing. As none of the members of TKP are admin then no job of moderation is applicable.
But I will probably be seeing you rejoin soon as I may try this moderating thing since it is an open application and a role taken on at will ;)
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Poppy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:21 am

How long is it long enough to make griefing extended/illegal?
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Dmanwuzhere » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:26 am

By definition, it is not just time to my understanding.
More the intent.
If you are trying to keep an individual from returning to the game
that would be griefing.
If you have a few ships and are not worth hitting and you attack over and over at cost to you and no profit
that would be griefing
If you are hitting because you dont like someone personally
that would be griefing.
But I believe it is written so that ultimately it is the admins decision and not a group of griefers :D
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Kangaroo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:39 am

Dmanwuzhere wrote:By definition, it is not just time to my understanding.
More the intent.
If you are trying to keep an individual from returning to the game
that would be griefing.
If you have a few ships and are not worth hitting and you attack over and over at cost to you and no profit
that would be griefing
If you are hitting because you dont like someone personally
that would be griefing.
But I believe it is written so that ultimately it is the admins decision and not a group of griefers :D


I think your definitions are correct, they are in line with how I read it at least.
As to the final line I am personally grateful that admin have taken an official stated stance, and don't feel it's a very long bow to believe that is a result of recent actions on both sides of the events you refer to.

Regardless the game is better off with the policy upfront and policed to the extent of it's intent
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Grimrock Litless » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:57 am

Well, I guess this means I can stop being idle and start being a trader again.
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Poppy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:53 am

Dmanwuzhere wrote:By definition, it is not just time to my understanding.
More the intent.
If you are trying to keep an individual from returning to the game
that would be griefing.
If you have a few ships and are not worth hitting and you attack over and over at cost to you and no profit
that would be griefing
If you are hitting because you dont like someone personally
that would be griefing.
But I believe it is written so that ultimately it is the admins decision and not a group of griefers :D


the definition of Griefing is nderstood. whats not yet understood is when does the "extended" part materialize?
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Mack » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:49 pm

when it becomes non profitable for the attacker i suppose...

say you have a bully, you decide to drop all ships and just cut loose with voodoo of any kind, just as a goal of makeing them leave you alone in the long run.. So you start casting voodoo to waste thier clearing voodoo, just to cost them credits and cards and turns.. you do this for some time.. now the point that the recipiant gets the idea you arnt an easy target and you keep on going just to be attacking, thats when its extended greifing, in my view atleast

the profit here would be the bully leaving you alone, once that is accomplished then any further attacks on the same fellow would be greifing, thatis unless the attacker is somehow profiting like plundering ships or gaining a port or anything like that
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Re: Extended Griefing is prohibited

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:12 pm

I hit you for 3 months : justified retaliation
You hit me for 3 days : unjustified griefing

See, its simple : all depends on your point of view.
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