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Re: US Next War

Postby Mack » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:53 pm

Bmw wrote:
John Avery wrote:
Bmw wrote:yeah a strong navy and a strong nuclear defense network. .


I heard USA dismantled some of its nuclear defenses?...

I also heard North Korea hs more Nuclear defenses then America, as does Russia.


yeah that's why the US is working on building some better defenses but surprise surprise there not in america.


as far as nuclear defense capabilities do you guys honestly think either of our governments are going to tell us what they have come on people
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Re: US Next War

Postby Most Lee Harmless » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:28 pm

Interesting : Britain fought more than a 2 front war for the best part of six years : Apart from the 'Home Front' in Western Europe which moved from Blitz to D-day, there was North Africa which transformed into the Italian and Greek campaigns: there was also Burma and the Far East Theatre : Britain paid with blood and treasure for its victories, it fought without regard to the cost and still pays the price today. None can dispute the USA's contribution to that victory, but if Britain had not stood firm, it would have had nowhere to place its forces to make that contribution to the defeat of Nazism.

Interesting side note : Britain passed over many of its technological advances to the USA free of charge : chief amongst this was its advances in Radar : a visiting British professor was barred from a science conference on a key element in radar : he was told such top secret material was for American eyes only : a colleague felt moved to tell the security chief the visiting professor had actually invented what was to be discussed. He was still barred entry.

Another British gift to the world was penicillin : When the discoverer, Fleming, wished to undertake further research into it, he found he was required to get the permission of (and pay a fee to) the US pharmaceutical firm who had been given the patent by the USA. But still we thank the USA for its help : for lend-lease : for its troops, navy and air-force. Just dont think they ever came free of charge. Nothing in total war ever does.
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Re: US Next War

Postby ChaIbaud » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:52 pm

I'd argue contrarily to Avery's claim that we joined because of Pearl Harbors destruction, and say that this event was a justifiable reason to enter the war but not the main factor. The Great Depression rendered many jobless and starving, and during WW1, former President Hoover promoted independence for the American people to help the soldiers. These factors led American to leap towards the war: they could be self sufficient (a trait many of them had so desperately needed after taking direct relief from the socialistic policies enacted by FDR) and put an end to a threatening political philosophy in europe, as well as, of course, make a profit with their ammunition outlets or weaving mills.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Admiral Nelson » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:59 pm

chal wrote:I'd argue contrarily to Avery's claim that we joined because of Pearl Harbors destruction, and say that this event was a justifiable reason to enter the war but not the main factor. The Great Depression rendered many jobless and starving, and during WW1, former President Hoover promoted independence for the American people to help the soldiers. These factors led American to leap towards the war: they could be self sufficient (a trait many of them had so desperately needed after taking direct relief from the socialistic policies enacted by FDR) and put an end to a threatening political philosophy in europe, as well as, of course, make a profit with their ammunition outlets or weaving mills.


And you have the right to. :)

However, I was not saying it was not justifiable - As it was in my eyes. It was like " Oh you have done this to us? Oh now watch what happens now ". You also have to remember, I was comparing England and America in the war. After BMW's slightly... incorrect statement. Of which, I would like to hear Stan Rogers opinion.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Bmw » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:00 pm

Yeah I mostly think that the great depression caused WW2 I mean come on every nation on earth had at least a little bit of a run around with the depression the US had an unemployment rate of 19% when pearl harbor was hit and by June of the next year the unemployment rate dropped down to less than 3%. some people think that it was just one reason we joined the war there wasn't just one reason there were multiple.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Admiral Nelson » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Bmw wrote:Yeah I mostly think that the great depression caused WW2 I mean come on every nation on earth had at least a little bit of a run around with the depression the US had an unemployment rate of 19% when pearl harbor was hit and by June of the next year the unemployment rate dropped down to less than 3%. some people think that it was just one reason we joined the war there wasn't just one reason there were multiple.



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Re: US Next War

Postby Bmw » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:09 pm

John Avery wrote:
Bmw wrote:Yeah I mostly think that the great depression caused WW2 I mean come on every nation on earth had at least a little bit of a run around with the depression the US had an unemployment rate of 19% when pearl harbor was hit and by June of the next year the unemployment rate dropped down to less than 3%. some people think that it was just one reason we joined the war there wasn't just one reason there were multiple.



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yeah yeah there's plenty of reasons why we entered dont get me wrong on that I just dont know all of them.

obviously the main reason the american people were ready for war was because of pearl harbor.
but yeah its the main reason but not the only one.
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Re: US Next War

Postby ChaIbaud » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:22 pm

Pearl Harbor, the Great Depression, use for production, keeping their family safe, defeating Nazism...
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Re: US Next War

Postby DezNutz » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:01 pm

WWII, a topic few people know enough about and too many assumptions based on general knowledge.

The Great Depression ended in 1939, 2 years before the US Military entry into the war; however, there is a point, that although the depression was over, manufacturing and jobs were still scarce with the economy progressing very slowly until after America's entry into WWII. In a nut shell, the Great Depression had zero impact on the US getting involved in WWII.

Militarily the USA did not officially enter the war until the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese on Dec. 7, 1941. However, the USA was supplying war material to Great Britain, Russia, and China prior to entry (Pearl Harbor) in to WWII via the Lend-Lease Act (March 1941). There were also a couple of Japanese and German clashes with US warships in the months prior to Pearl Harbor. An official declaration of war did not occur though until after Pearl Harbor.

I agree mostly with Danik's statements. The term "two fronts" is a generalization. The USA also fought in North Africa, Italy, and Indo-China. Britain's fight in Greece was early on in the war and it's liberation came at the hand of the Red Army (Russia), not Britain or the USA. Yes, the US did receive technology from it's allies. Yes, Britain's firm stance did slowdown and ultimately prevented Hitler and the 3rd Reich from taking all of Europe; however, without US manufacturing support and supplies, Britain would have eventually fallen. The greatest blunder of WWII for Germany, Japan, and Italy was getting the USA involved.

As well, it should be taken into account that technology sharing was done for a reason and stemmed from a 1940 visit by the Aeronautical Research Committee chairman Henry Tizard (a British National) that arranged to transfer UK military technology to the US in case of the successful invasion of the UK that Hitler was planning as Operation Sea Lion. Tizard led a British technical mission, known as the Tizard Mission, containing details and examples of British technological developments in fields such as radar, jet propulsion and also the early British research into the atomic bomb.
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Re: US Next War

Postby Meliva » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:07 am

Honestly There are many factors as to why the Allies won WW2. Hitler making the mistake of betraying the Soviet Union by attacking them, Trying to invade them during Winter while his troops were not prepared for such a cold environment. Ignoring the advice of his generals and scientists. Picking a fight with the US. American manufacturing tons of bullets, tanks, planes and guns to use and supply their allies. Britain and the Red army fighting tooth and nail. Hitler executing some of his best generals. America and Britain having some very good generals of our own(my personal favorite being Patton.) So many factors involved it just feels silly some people say "X won the war." Though if I were to say what the biggest contributor to our victory. I would say it was the fact Hitler was a very poor leader who made tons of mistakes before, and during the war.
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