Danik crosses the river!

[Most Lee Harmless]

Its why a guild-leader should think very carefully before committing their guild to a war : yes, the veterans/strong players can (or should be able to) handle it : but the wise leader must also consider the effect upon their lesser players, not just the newbies. I dont think lesser players should not be targets : they can clean off voodoo cast same as a veteran : they can cast, same as a veteran : in an internal struggle as currently in USA, and priorly in Mexico, their votes count the same as a veterans : as a new player I learnt damn fast as my first guild was under constant attack from piratical elements : that taught me much about combat, about my comrades and the deeper aspects of the combat and voodoo system. Getting my rear end handed to me by Joe_Boot taught me even more! Dont knock early practical experience of warfare as being bad for new players : some may discover an aptitude for it, some will find they prefer to avoid it : from their the path each may choose may lead to different guilds and styles of game-play. Those who run at the first shot will probably not hang around for long anyway : warfare is the health of Avonmmora.

[Valar Morghulis]

Very true Danik.

[Ziggfried]

Its why a guild-leader should think very carefully before committing their guild to a war : yes, the veterans/strong players can (or should be able to) handle it : but the wise leader must also consider the effect upon their lesser players, not just the newbies. I dont think lesser players should not be targets : they can clean off voodoo cast same as a veteran : they can cast, same as a veteran : in an internal struggle as currently in USA, and priorly in Mexico, their votes count the same as a veterans : as a new player I learnt damn fast as my first guild was under constant attack from piratical elements : that taught me much about combat, about my comrades and the deeper aspects of the combat and voodoo system. Getting my rear end handed to me by Joe_Boot taught me even more! Dont knock early practical experience of warfare as being bad for new players : some may discover an aptitude for it, some will find they prefer to avoid it : from their the path each may choose may lead to different guilds and styles of game-play. Those who run at the first shot will probably not hang around for long anyway : warfare is the health of Avonmmora.

I agree we where all new at one time and it don't matter if your in war or not. Someone will light you sooner or latter. Veterans are just players who have learned from it and made improvement instead of giving in and quitting the game. We all started with one ship and nothing to are names.

[fullfathomfive]

The simple remedy in these type situations is the fact you should not be able to carry your influence built in one nation into another unless you carry a army with you to take military control over the country. The influence a leader has built with citizens through bribes, trading, investment in shipping and goods, political investment, is lost when one moves across the waters to a new nation where he/she has no prior built support base. CDV ambitious venture into multiple nations king is certainly interesting to watch, however this clearly displays the impracticability of the current system of retaining influence into a nation that has no knowledge of who you are when you arrive without a support base.

[Haron]

I like it, Quetzalcoatl! The influence you gain, you gain IN that nation, FOR that nation. If ever you become a pirate, or decide to change nationality, all that influence should simply be lost. Great idea. That should make people who have invested heavily in their nation think twice before leaving that nation.

[Jim Hawkins]

+1

[Lana]

What a wonderful thread! Like a weather in march. Started like a red alarm, then all kinds of weather occurred in a few days.
Reading it, I have an idea that some posts have to stay here, some of them to use to make a new thread in Suggestions... some of them in Union of honor and General discussion... But, Danik, Tiger, you made a point!

[Most Lee Harmless]

The simple remedy in these type situations is the fact you should not be able to carry your influence built in one nation into another unless you carry a army with you to take military control over the country. The influence a leader has built with citizens through bribes, trading, investment in shipping and goods, political investment, is lost when one moves across the waters to a new nation where he/she has no prior built support base. CDV ambitious venture into multiple nations king is certainly interesting to watch, however this clearly displays the impracticability of the current system of retaining influence into a nation that has no knowledge of who you are when you arrive without a support base.

I am in agreement with this proposal : at a minimum, a large percentage of current influence should be lost when switching nations. The ranking system does involve collecting influence as part of the nation missions, so a fresh holding can be started on in the new nation. I'd suggest that a portion of influence would be held as a 'personal' following, arising from gratitude for investment in ports so keeping some of it would be equitable : I'd suggest maybe 25-33% should be retained. The loss of existing influence held under the original flag would also 'compensate' the nation who may have made large pay-outs to build and support that influence holding : an good example being Ziggfried's recent defection to Spain after receiving significant amounts of USA gold for that specific purpose. To show that is not a personal attack, I would also agree that myself and LT should have been equally penalised when we left Mexico for USA having also been supported by that nation with pay-outs for influence holdings.

[PhoenixKnight]

Not necessarily. Influence can cross boundary of nation loyalty. Think Mafia and pirates. Their influence would extend over many nations without loss.

[Mack]

Does it work the same for kings and or presidents or princes senators ect.?