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[Leo the Conqueror]

Yes what I am saying is that I don't think it should be illegal. Maybe discouraged, but not illegal. Or if it has to be illegal, make the punishment small.

[The Lamb]

illegal they should be at least deported, in order to do that you will need places for them to be held till deportation. i personally dont feel like we owe them a hotel room or anything, they did knowingly break the law

Mack there is an argument for refugees status, but international law states they HAVE to file for it at the next country. Could you imagine if an ax murderer was chasing a woman out of her house and she ran for help, ran to the next house "No, thats a mobile home" and keeps running to the next house "Naaaaa, its a 3 bdrm ranch" and keep running. 2 Miles later with the ax murderer in pursuit comes to a mansion " Yes, these people will have everything i want".

The question is if there was actually imminent threat why did she run past the first two houses?

Apply that logic to a large part of the "refugees" and now you have to ask. If you were in fear of your life, why did you walk from Nicaragua, through Honduras, through Guatemala, threw Mexico to the US.

What i learned being a Pro Se attorney during may years of custody battles (dumped 20k on lawyer and went solo, I won custody against her attorney ), as soon as you say "I feel like" or anything close, you have lost the legal argument.

[Mack]

Right and I would agree with that law it only makes sense that if you were in imminent danger you would seek the closest and easiest Refuge not go extra far for the most luxurious, so with that being said those that do try that I believe are knowingly breaking the law

[The Lamb]

Of coarse they are! If you cant get a ticket for speeding, whats to stop you from speedng? Th difference here is Blue stash has a big heart thats obvious and a great thing, but you cant let your feelings get in the way of logical arguments, or you will loose every time against educated opposition.

If blue says "I think we should let anyone in the country because it has been proven that upon crossing the boarder, all refugees shat golden eggs for a year increasing our GDP." I would be like... thats a fantastic reason! OPEN that bad boy up to all!

But the argument by so many is "but i fell like....... so we should help and not follow the law." X X X you just got kicked off the show

[Meliva]

Yes what I am saying is that I don't think it should be illegal. Maybe discouraged, but not illegal. Or if it has to be illegal, make the punishment small.

If it was made legal, then anyone in any country could just walk right into ours. Anyone from innocent folks, to criminals seeking to escape justice in their own country, to terrorists.

Borders, exist for a REASON. A nation as well as the government of said nation needs to protect and serve it's own citizens FIRST and FOREMOST. Just like an adult should protect and serve his OWN family first and Foremost. Would you be willing to put up a sign all around your city, with your address on it, and tell folks "come and go as you please, my home is open to all".

If the answer to that question is yes, then put your money where your mouth is, do it, and let us know how that goes later. If the answer to that question is no, then why the HELL would you want our nation to do what you yourself won't?

The sad truth, is that while some good folks would use such an opportunity to help themselves and do nothing to harm your home or our nation, some folks would see this, and decide "welp, looks like I'm getting some free stuff".

You are INCREDIBLY naïve if you really think open borders is a good idea.

[Most Lee Harmless]

Should be pointed out that the terrorists responsible for 9/11, for example, were perfectly legal entries into the USA. In the vast majority of cases perpetrators of terrorist acts in mainland USA have been legally resident if not actual citizens.

Legal immigrants are just as likely to be criminals, drug dealers, rapists and free-loaders.

Fact is, being an illegal is a dumb move for a terrorist. They do not want attention drawn to themselves or being compromised in their movements. It's called 'clean skins' and that is who both terrorists and criminals seek to use to cross borders.

The majority of legal or illegal immigrants just want to work hard and build a decent life for them and their children.

As a 'criminal conviction' for what is no more than a misdemeanour for a 'legal' is enough to get them deported, most are far more lawful than citizens born of ten generations of legal citizens.

Are there 'bad' ones? Yep. But not in the percentages the fearmongers would have us believe.

[Stan Rogers]

I think a one world order would be kinda neat ! The vote count for leader would be quite the task however.

Things would be pretty much the same as it currently is but there would be a really big marketplace to buy/sell/manufacture/innovate. You like to build cars? just move to where they are building cars. You design software ? You get the picture.

Defense contracts would go out the window as there would be no one to fight against.

Yep...impossible dreams but... look at all the money we would save.

[Meliva]

And by having open borders, that is one less barrier bad folks will need to deal with when entering another country.

I'm not saying that our system is perfect, or that it keeps any bad people out, it clearly doesn't, what I'm saying is that at least with borders we have SOME control on who does and does not enter our country legally.

You said it yourself, being an illegal is a dumb move for a terrorist. So they try to enter legally to draw less attention. Open borders mean they don't need to bother finding a way to enter legally. Making it easier.

I fully admit that plenty of good folks enter illegally just wanting a better life, the sad fact is that we need border control to at least help however much it can to keep some bad folks out. Yes of course some bad folks will always find a way in, either illegally or legally, that doesn't mean we should have open borders and say forget it.

One world order could end in a disaster. All depends on what kind of government and powers that order would have. I doubt anyone would want to live in a one world order that functions like say NK's government. Likewise, no one would want to live in a world where the government decides everything for you. If the One world order was benign and benevolent, sounds great, if not, then it's a nightmare, and no where for you to flee.

[Most Lee Harmless]

The most difficult aspect of terrorism the majority of countries face is not from terrorists entering from outside borders. It is domestic. It is enacted by people who live or work or study in a country quite legally. It is enacted by citizens of that country against their fellow citizens.

As of 2020.. as many have died in attacks attributed to domestic 'right-wing' terrorism as died at 9/11. Whose perpetrators were legal entrants into the USA. That's the FBI's figures.

Go further : of the top twenty-five attacks in the USA, ranked by mortality... none feature a perpetrator who entered the USA illegally.

It's a irrational to link illegal immigration to terrorism. The evidence just is not there.

[Meliva]

Again, I am not simply linking illegal immigration to terrorism, that is just one aspect that I would be worried about if open borders was enacted.

Do you think that we should have open borders? Personally I think it's too risky for a number of reasons. Terrorism is one of them, but it is not the sole reason. Other's include fleeing criminals, or problems with too many people coming in at once, etc.