TRUMP 2020!

[Leo the Conqueror]

I am not blindly believing anything. I have more than enough evidence to convince me Trump is racist. Now I've showed you some of this evidence, some I haven't showed you because it is a waste of time and will do nothing to sway you.

[Meliva]

Yet that same evidence isn't enough to convince other folks. You know, in a trial, you are meant to prove without a shadow of a doubt. The fact that many people do not see trump as racist shows that clearly, those who claim him to be a racist lack the evidence to prove him as such.

Why show my any evidence at all if you think it will do nothing to sway me? Are you not showing me all of it because you know that some of your evidence isn't exactly reliable or good? Did you already show me your "best" cases, and since that did not sway me, your other evidence which is inferior is now pointless? Or are you just using an excuse to say "oh yeah I got more evidence, but uh, won't sway you, so not gonna bother showing it".

I think you are letting your hatred of Trump make you biased against him. I don't like him myself, But I won't just call him a racist because of that. Like Dez said-feelings don't change facts. If trump is a racist, he's doing a poor job at it.

I do think feelings shouldn't be completely disregarded, but i do think they should always be less valued then facts.

[DezNutz]

I am not blindly believing anything. I have more than enough evidence to convince me Trump is racist. Now I've showed you some of this evidence, some I haven't showed you because it is a waste of time and will do nothing to sway you.

Produce said evidence.

Must be one hell of a racist to receive this award...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... d-in-1986/

Amazing how Trump wasn't a racist until he ran for President as a Republican.

If it does nothing to sway someone, it isn't very good evidence.

[Meliva]

I mean, I can understand if the person you are trying to sway is deadset in their ways, then even amazing evidence won't work. Look at flat-earthers, or anti-vaccine folks.

I would like to think that I am somewhat open minded though, and not so narrow minded as to be compared to folks like I listed. I am rather cynical and sceptical I will admit but if you showed me a video of trump saying we should round up all them *insert slur here* and kill them, I'd gladly change my mind on him not being racist. Likewise, any good evidence I would take into account.

[DezNutz]

I mean, I can understand if the person you are trying to sway is deadset in their ways, then even amazing evidence won't work. Look at flat-earthers, or anti-vaccine folks.

I would like to think that I am somewhat open minded though, and not so narrow minded as to be compared to folks like I listed. I am rather cynical and sceptical I will admit but if you showed me a video of trump saying we should round up all them *insert slur here* and kill them, I'd gladly change my mind on him not being racist. Likewise, any good evidence I would take into account.

Flat-earthers and anti-vac'ers are irrational people. They refuse to acknowledge any evidence when shown to the contrary and any such evidence is dismissed as faked in-part of some global conspiracy.

Then there are those that are just brain washed or deluded. They can't accept evidence contrary to the beliefs they hold because they don't want their fragile existence to crack. They tend to scream at the sky when reality sets it.

The average person is rational enough to listen to evidence. The problem that exists is getting that evidence to them.

[Mack]

TRUMP2020!!!

where did the black come from?

if you must know it was put there just to make you point it out as i knew your raceist mind would.........

[Leo the Conqueror]

Y'all just don't get swayed by anything I say, no matter how strong of an argument I make.

The "well he did this good thing so he must not be bad" argument is problematic. Hitler was a vegetarian. So what? Doesn't change what he did.

My evidence that I have not shared?

Well, Trump ordered the stop of racial sensitivity training because some white people complained about it, held a rally in Kenosha directly after Blake's shooting and refused to talk to Blake or his family and instead made the focus of his speech about that damage done by the protests, said that Biden "will destroy the suburbs" to make way for subsidized housing meaning less homes for minority families, he literally hired a white nationalist as his Cheif Strategist, essentially created the Birther Movement, proposed banning Muslims from entering the country, yelled "bring back the death penalty" which disproportionately effects black men, said "they don't look like Indians to me" when at a meeting to purchase a casino, said "there were very fine people on both sides" referring to white supremacists running over protesters with a van in Charlottesville, referred to African countries as "shithole countries" and asked why America couldn't get more refugees from Norway, said he was worried that Nigerian immigrants wouldn't want to go back to their huts after seeing America. That's what I've got for now. Take it or leave it.

[Mack]

[quote="L.M."]Y'all just don't get swayed by anything I say, no matter how strong of an argument I make.

back at you young man..

The "well he did this good thing so he must not be bad" argument is problematic. Hitler was a vegetarian. So what? Doesn't change what he did.

see atleast trump has good things to talk about...

My evidence that I have not shared?

Well, Trump ordered the stop of racial sensitivity training because some white people complained about it,

if a black person complaind and he didnt shut it down that would be raceist...

held a rally in Kenosha directly after Blake's shooting and refused to talk to Blake or his family and instead made the focus of his speech about that damage done by the protests,

i also feel that it was very very important to talk about the blm protest getting way our of hand...

said that Biden "will destroy the suburbs" to make way for subsidized housing meaning less homes for minority families..

isnt that a bad thimg for the black community, no offence...

he literally hired a white nationalist as his Cheif Strategist,

what the heck is a white nationalist?

essentially created the Birther Movement,

how?

proposed banning Muslims from entering the country,

um i knoe you might have been 5 or something but hey just incase you didnt know they vowed to wipe us and your religeion off the map..

yelled "bring back the death penalty"

i agree, if there were more of a penalty maybe people woild think twice... der...

which disproportionately effects black men,

if theu would stop comitting crimes maybe they would not get the death penalty you dummy

said "they don't look like Indians to me"

so what...

when at a meeting to purchase a casino, said "there were very fine people on both sides" referring to white supremacists running over protesters with a van in Charlottesville,

so a couple bad apples means there are ko good ones huh thats good logic to fillow when looking at biden

referred to African countries as "shithole countries"

show me...

and asked why America couldn't get more refugees from Norway,

they are good peole why not wish for that.. he might have been pointing out how they do things dont maoe people want to leave hmmm...

said he was worried that Nigerian immigrants wouldn't want to go back to their huts after seeing America.

we cant afford to take on the worlds problems we have our own we cant afford already

That's what I've got for now. Take it or leave it.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Oh man you really just screwed yourself up right there.

Just because a few Muslims were terrorists does NOT mean that Muslims should be banned from entering the country.

I guess you really missed what I was saying.

Don't call me dummy. The death penalty and black men being disproportionately affected by it is a very complex issue and I wouldn't expect someone who can't take a few extra seconds to right click the words with red lines under them to understand it.

The point about the "go back to their huts" wasn't to say how he poorly handled foreign affairs, but to show you that he thinks Nigerians live in huts! Honestly I know my opinion doesn't matter but Mack you seem to be a little bit racist yourself. I don't know if it rubbed off from Trump or if you always just thought like that, but half of the things you just said were bringing up red flags in my head (that's not a good thing)

[Meliva]

Have you considered that perhaps your arguments are not as strong as you think they are, and that you are over estimating your logic and reasoning? Hell you openly admitted you came into this thread thinking you were going to have an "easy" time.

My point wasn't that he did good things so he must not be bad, my point is that their isn't much evidence that he is a racist, and since he's done quite a few good things for minorities that makes it seem like he either must not be a racist, or is very bad at it.

Now as to your running sentence where you had no links.

1st-okay so he stopped racial sensitivity training. Did he say why he stopped it? What was the training like? Were only white people required to take it, in which case, I would argue that stopping it was fair, since anyone can be racist.
2nd- How in the hell is holding a rally racist at all? As for his focus well considering there was a lot of damage done by rioters, I don't see why him focusing on it is racist. Nor do I see why him not talking to Blake or his family is racist. Especially if him and his family don't like or support trump.
3rd- so he said something negative about his political opponent. What a scandal. Again, not racist.
4th- I don't care what someone believes in when I look to hire someone for a job-I look for someone qualified to do it. Also, is his chief strategist actually a white nationalist, or is it another case of you "feeling like he is?"
5th-He did not create the birther movement though he did participate in it. Did he do it because Obama was black and he was being racist, or did he do it to try to get rid of a politician he didn't like due to his policies. Politics is full of shady crap like that-doesn't mean it's racist, though it is scummy.
6th-that point isn't racist at all, that would be Islamophobic, you can be a white muslime, a black muslim, etc. Now i do think Trump could be considered Islamaphobic, a lot of folks don't have much love for muslims these days. However again, racism is not the same as islamaphobia. They can overlap sure, but are not one and the same.
7th-Just because it dispropartionately effects black men, does not mean that's why he wants the death penalty. I myself support it, since I think some folks should be executed. Am I racist now too?
8th-sounds like a crappy joke to me. Suppose it's insensitive, sure, but wouldn't say he's a racist for making a crap joke. Hard to tell in text if he said it as a joke or was legit confused, but it sounds like a crappy "indians run casinos" joke to me. Or did he hear beforehand that the owners he was meeting were indians, and was confused when folks who did not look like indians approached him?
9th-out of context. Not everyone on both sides were saints, but not everyone on both sides were racist killers.
10th- Very rude thing to say, though, given the state of many African countries many are in bad shape. After all, refugees don't come from places that are doing great. He was overly rude about it though. Though how is saying African countries are sh*tholes racist? It's not like only blacks live in africa. Or that he said they are crapholes BECAUSE of blacks. Many are in terrible shape due to outside interference during the centuries. Think the Norway part was a joke, since they are a nice country that has no refugees far as I know.
11th-Again, not every Nigerian would be black. Also, I too would be worried that if refugees who fled here never intend to return to their home country if things get better. Regardless of race or religion. Though if they make the effort to become citizens and contribute then that's fine.

Alright, well with all that subpar evidence finally cleared through, gotta say-was very poor logic and reasoning you used. Definately would not call that a "strong" argument at all.