TRUMP 2020!

[Meliva]

Come on now Dez, we both know that folks on the left can't be racist, only folks on the right can be. I mean, why else would so many blindly ignore all the racist things Biden has said and done, and constantly focus on Trump and constantly label him a racist? I mean, when Biden says he doesn't want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle, that's not a big deal. Or how Biden said Obama was the first main-stream African-American who is articulate, bright, and clean and nice looking. That's just a nice compliment, despite the fact that it implies that every African-American before Obama had a limited vocabulary, was dull, dirty and unpleasant to look at.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Come on now Dez, we both know that folks on the left can't be racist, only folks on the right can be. I mean, why else would so many blindly ignore all the racist things Biden has said and done, and constantly focus on Trump and constantly label him a racist? I mean, when Biden says he doesn't want his kids to grow up in a racial jungle, that's not a big deal. Or how Biden said Obama was the first main-stream African-American who is articulate, bright, and clean and nice looking. That's just a nice compliment, despite the fact that it implies that every African-American before Obama had a limited vocabulary, was dull, dirty and unpleasant to look at.

I acknowledged all the racist things Biden has said. In fact, I used them as an argument for why Biden should not be the nominee back when other candidates like Bernie and Warren were still running.

Here's the deal: Since both Biden and Trump have made it clear that they are racist, I will side with the person I agree with politically most. Since you agree with Trump more than Biden, it makes sense for you to vote for Trump. And it makes sense for me to support Biden more than Trump because I agree with him more. Now if Biden said a bunch of racists things and Trump didn't, that would be a different story. However as you and I both know, that isn't the case. We could argue for hours and hours about who is more racist, Biden or Trump. But in truth we both agree on one thing, and that is that the person running who we support would not have been our first choice. Now I don't know or even care who you voted for in the 2016 primaries, because it is irrelevant. We are stuck with Biden and Trump, and as we both have stated voting for a 3rd party is a vote thrown away.

So really it boils down to who you agree with the most.

Dez, I know you have free speech or whatever but I'm getting some nasty vibes from you and I'm going to ask you politely to stop. I know you've already stated how much I'm an idiot (even though that is a rule violation), I know you don't agree with me. But you won't see me making fun of you or talking about your personal self in any sort of derogatory way. If you'd like examples, I'm referring to how you constantly make fun of me for talking with my feelings and for calling out offenders.

And yet you wonder why I don't post here much.

[Meliva]

The only problem is that Trump is not racist. I think he's an arse, and can be pretty rude and insulting, but I don't think he's racist.

Also, wouldn't take hours to determine that Biden is clearly far more racist then you think Trump is. Trump has done quite a lot to help support minorities-While Biden has spent 47 years throwing them under the bus-same bus that he didn't want them to ride in with white kids no less . Trump also is far more tolerant on LGBT rights then Biden was-you know, considering Biden flip-flops around, and when Trump said he supported same-sex marriage Biden condemned him for it.

If you would get out of your orange man bad mentality then you would probably see that Trump, while an arse, is a far better guy then Biden. Course, doubt that will happen. If Trump cured Cancer you'd probably complain about how he put so many cancer researchers and doctors out of a job . Or Maybe complain that he didn't cure Covid first. Or any other numerous deflections you can muster.

[Leo the Conqueror]

You obviously missed my point entirely. Just because YOU do not think that Trump is racist, does not mean that he is necessarily less racist than Biden.

When Biden said the things he said, it was blatant racism. This is the easiest kind to see, because it's written all over the sentences they say.

When I say Trump is racists, I don't mean that he said that Obama was the first... well you know the rest. I don't like the term dog-whistle racism for two reasons. The first is that any time anyone uses the term people on the right say that it's fake and isn't actually racism. The second is that the name doesn't capture the whole truth and nature of what "dog-whistle" racism actually is.

So just because Trump didn't all-out say something like what Joe has said does NOT mean that things that he said has not offended people of certain ethnicity and cultures. Just the way he talks about immigrants... if you understood what I mean you would understand why this is racist.

And see, we are already arguing over who is more racist. Just like I said.

[Meliva]

Just because YOU think that he is racist, does not mean he is racist. Yes, some of what he has said and done has offended people of various ethnicity's and cultures. Last I checked, offending people of different races and cultures, isn't racism. Or rather, it isn't racism 100% of the time. If I said that I hated mexican food, because it was too spicy, and that ticked off a bunch of folks from there, does that make me racist because I offended them? I just can't handle spice. Likewise, just because trump says a bunch of mean things and it offends people doesn't make him racist.

Also, you realize that his wife, is an immigrant right? Not to mention he constantly does things that help minorities. Then you factor in that while some minorities think he's racist and a bad man, other minorities love him. It's pretty damn clear that, if he is indeed racist, then he does a poor job at it. To me, and to many other's of various faiths, cultures and ethnicities, he isn't racist-he's just a blunt speaker who's a bit of an arse.

This isn't an argument about who is more racist-this is you stubbornly refusing to let go of your irrational hatred of trump and just admitting that Biden has done a LOT of harm to minorities and has blatantly said racist things, while Trump has NO blatantly racist statements and has done a lot to help minorities.

You can stubbornly refure to admit it all you want. Doesn't take much effort to just look and see that between the 2 of them, Biden is a clear racist while Trump is just an arse. At least trump actually helps minorities rather then lock them up and segregate them.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Just because YOU think that he is racist, does not mean he is racist.

You are right. But why would you be more right about whether or not he is racist than me? Seems we are at a bit of a stalemate.

[Meliva]

I was just using your own faulty logic against you.
It's Pretty bloody simple really to see if he is or is not a racist. Look at the actions he has taken and things he has said.

Has he ever stated any race is superior or inferior to another? Not as far as I'm aware.
Has he done things to try to oppress or dehumanize other races? Nope.
Has he done things to help minorities-yup, even plans to invest billions into black communities to help build them up. Rather strange for someone who is supposedly a racist to do.

Then look at Biden.
Who has 47 years of saying blatantly racist things, and doing things that hurt minorities.

If trump really is a racist, then again-he's doing a very poor job at being one. It would be like calling a man who helps build synagogues, an anti-semite. Actions speak louder then words.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Oh well. I was hoping I could at least get you to understand why people think he is racist, even if you disagreed.

So do you understand why people think he's racist? And if so what is your reasoning for why those things don't make him racist?

[Meliva]

Sure I can understand why some folks think he's racist. Just like I can understand why some folks think you are an idiot. Or why some folks think the earth is flat. Though just because I can understand why someone might think that, doesn't mean I think they are right.
You see just because someone might think something doesn't magically make what they think is true, true. Some folks think the earth is 6000 years old. Some folks think 5g towers cause disease. Some folks think that vaccines cause autism.
What is your reasoning that all those people are wrong? Well mine is pretty simple. Show me facts and evidence that supports a statement or disproves it.

Trump is an arse, that much I do think and agree with. Is there sufficient evidence that would convince me he is racist? Maybe, but so far I have not been shown said evidence, so until I see said evidence I won't blindly assume that he is a racist. Just like I won't blindly believe the man on the street corner in his underwear and tin foil hat yelling the end is near and sell all my things.

Your logic and reasoning is terrible. Though I do not think you are an idiot. Just use very bad logic and reasoning, and blinded by your hatred of trump and naïve ideals.

[DezNutz]

Dez, I know you have free speech or whatever but I'm getting some nasty vibes from you and I'm going to ask you politely to stop. I know you've already stated how much I'm an idiot (even though that is a rule violation), I know you don't agree with me. But you won't see me making fun of you or talking about your personal self in any sort of derogatory way. If you'd like examples, I'm referring to how you constantly make fun of me for talking with my feelings and for calling out offenders.

And yet you wonder why I don't post here much.

That's nice.

L.M., I know that you have feelings or whatever, but I'm only here to tell you that the real world, ie. laws, justice, facts, etc. does not care about your feelings. In the grand scheme of things, feelings don't matter as they are irrational. That's why you don't use feelings in argument. Emotion filled arguments while they can be moving, are there to garner a response on the emotional plane. They don't reside in the world of rational thought. Emotions and feelings are the absolute nature of bias/prejudice. I like dogs, I hate cats. Those are bias and entirely based on feelings. They have nothing to do with rational objective thought.

Justice is said to be blind for several reasons, and one of those reasons is that emotion and feelings can cloud judgement. A blind person cannot see sorrow, hate, angst, disgust, etc. Similar to a blind person, justice must be blind to emotion. Only the facts matter, one's feelings don't.

While you are free to have and express your feelings, only an idiot would try to rationalize arguments using feelings. If you find that insulting that's too bad. Stop trying to rationalize feelings as if they matter.