Biden 2020

[Lachlan]

ahhhh science

blue i am sure your version of science is very arguable and well learned
but this pleb is still so confused at how a fetus is not human but men are women if they say so

ahhh the forever elusiveness of science

lol

[Leo]

ahhhh science

blue i am sure your version of science is very arguable and well learned
but this pleb is still so confused at how a fetus is not human but men are women if they say so

ahhh the forever elusiveness of science

Well, umm, you see, there is this thing called freedom of expression. If someone wants to be a woman, that's none of your buisiness so shut the hell up and quit complaining. And there is science behind it. Here: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/vo ... ansphobia/
And another: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/ ... -identity/
And another: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/rese ... ould-know/

So take a walk, pal.

And hold on about that abortion stuff. A: I have not mentioned my position on the issue B: I think regardless everyone knows that an unborn baby is a human, but their stance on abortion depends on other factors than just that. I could be wrong. And, you have no place arguing on the side of science because last time I checked you think that climate change is a hoax despite the disputable evidence made by people whose jobs it is to research it, yet you think that you can just look at a few numbers and make a scientific statement. You are wrong, just so, so wrong.

[Mack]

lmao you are so wrong blue.

[Meliva]

ahhhh science

blue i am sure your version of science is very arguable and well learned
but this pleb is still so confused at how a fetus is not human but men are women if they say so

ahhh the forever elusiveness of science

Well, umm, you see, there is this thing called freedom of expression. If someone wants to be a woman, that's none of your buisiness so shut the hell up and quit complaining. And there is science behind it. Here: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/vo ... ansphobia/
And another: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/ ... -identity/
And another: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/rese ... ould-know/

So take a walk, pal.

And hold on about that abortion stuff. A: I have not mentioned my position on the issue B: I think regardless everyone knows that an unborn baby is a human, but their stance on abortion depends on other factors than just that. I could be wrong. And, you have no place arguing on the side of science because last time I checked you think that climate change is a hoax despite the disputable evidence made by people whose jobs it is to research it, yet you think that you can just look at a few numbers and make a scientific statement. You are wrong, just so, so wrong.

There's also something called freedom of speech, so if he wants to say his opinion on the subject he's free to do so-even if you don't like it. Once again, maybe take you own advice before you go lecture others. You falsely claimed Sweden is socialist, yet, just like most children, would rather ignore your mistake rather then acting like a grown up and admitting it.

I sincerely hope you learn that trait as you get older. There's no shame in admitting one is wrong. Though in my opinion folks should be ashamed when they would prefer to ignore their mistakes and pretend they didn't happen. Folks should also be ashamed when they would rather silence their opponents, and sling insults at them rather then simply walking away or debating with civility.

[Dmanwuzhere]

lmao show me in the constitution where freedom of expression is included
you wont find it
the reason is really simple
what if my "freedom of expression" includes burning their houses
you see the problem of how subjective expression is

speech on the other hand is simply verbal
the founding fathers amaze me with their intelligence almost as much as you amaze me with your ignorance blue

[The Lamb]

For the record, i never said climate change was a hoax! Its absolutely real, the reason for the change is cyclical, but alas it has been perverted by everyone only looking at it from a narrow frame instead of compiling all the info together to get a holistic picture. Saving the planet is a big industry worth multiple billions of dollars a year, and good for them, capitalism at its finest.

These people are making people give all this money to protect us from rising temperatures starting in the 90's 10 years after raising all this money to protect us from falling temperatures. Wish i would have thought of it myself, i could be the one taking my private jet around the globe to climate crisis gatherings

Gender Dysphoria Disorder has been around forever and was listed as mental illness until a few years ago, just like Body Integrity Identity Disorder (people feel like a body part isnt their own and try to cut it off). Because of political correctness, the first is not officially a disorder anymore and the latter is still a mental disorder, because who in their right mind would paralyze themselves or cut off part of their body to feel normal? Hey Wait a min... lol, but i digress. I have a live and let live philosophy, but just as someone who felt like they were an alien named Galactic Superstar Mcawesomeville (yes im watching how I met your mother lol ) would need some mental help, so do these poor people who are having identity conflicts. I can only imagine how hard it is to have no idea who you are, but no amount of placating will ever fill the void, but mental help could start.

[Leo]

Oops, sorry about the Sweden thing. I do admit that I was wrong, though I wasn't completely wrong. Please stop using it as a whataboutism to squish completely unrelated arguments.

Dman, freedom of expression in a non-violent way is a constitutional right. You should know this. And, again, just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean that you should, and it doesn't mean that you won't get backlash, and it doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with you. For instance I have the right to tell you to shut the hell up. And to tell me not to say that would be "oppression". Now that, is hippocratical.

Hey, and Mel, I have admitted that I have been wrong many many times. I think at least three times in this forum. Now, as many times as I or anyone else has proved you wrong you haven't admitted anything. You just argue "Blue, that's because..." and other crap.

Being transgender is not a disorder no more than changing your name is. Actually, I've used that analogy before, so please open your mind to listen:

Changing gender is a pretty new concept, so it can be hard to accept and get used to new things. When people started suggesting that black people have the right to vote, there was enormous backlash from people who thought that things should stay the same. That is similar to the controversy over transgender. 30 years from now, people will most likely look back at the people who thought that you shouldn't be able to switch genders as complete civil rights-numbskulls. Just think about how history might see your argument. Now, to better understand how gender works and how it will most likely be for the next, well, very long time, think of gender no different from nicknames. You can have one, you can have many, you can have none. Some may sound new to you. If you call someone the wrong one on purpose, they aren't likely to take it kindly.

Just think about that, without any bias knowing that I said it. Take that analogy to heart, because it's most likely what you will have to start using. As more and more people accept transgender people, the world is becoming more progressive. This change is likely to stay.

[Meliva]

Funny, I don't recall you proving me wrong at all. Pretty sure every single point I've argued against you, you have not given evidence to prove me wrong. You've argued your opinions, you've argued what you think, and you've argued how you feel the world should work-every time I spot something I see wrong, I've argued against you about it, and every time, you have been unable to provide evidence to prove me wrong. When and if you do, I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

As for the whole gender argument, I largely do not care about that issue, If a man wants to call himself a woman, or a they, or a bloody transformer, go right ahead. If you're polite and friendly, and ask me nicely to address you the way you want, hell I'll probably do it. Now if you think you can force me to call you what you want to be called, well I'll use my freedom of speech and tell you to go pike off, then call you what I think you are-an arse.

Also, very poor comparison comparing gender dysmorphia to civil rights issue. Folks not being called what they want to be called doesn't cause any harm. If a man demanded to be called a woman, and I still called him a man, what harm did that do? Aside from maybe hurt his feelings? Unlike blacks not being allowed to vote, which was actually a very harmful thing.

Also, no one has said you can't tell him to shut up. We are simply pointing out, that it's his right to say what he wants, and that you trying to tell him to shut up and be silent, is pretty hypocritical as one could argue that is trying to silence folks you dislike. Again, you are free to do so, though frankly it's childish to try to silence folks you disagree with.

[Leo]

Alright, I've had quite enough for today, maybe the week. This is strangely fun but also kinda annoying that the only people that post here are people that disagree with me. While I'm sure that just sounds like some excuse, imagine yourself in my position. It's fun at first, but it gets exhausting arguing over the same points over and over and over again with no progress. Sorry, I realize that I'm probably the only person here who you can actually disagree with, so if I leave this topic might get boring.

[Meliva]

Alright, I've had quite enough for today, maybe the week. This is strangely fun but also kinda annoying that the only people that post here are people that disagree with me. While I'm sure that just sounds like some excuse, imagine yourself in my position. It's fun at first, but it gets exhausting arguing over the same points over and over and over again with no progress. Sorry, I realize that I'm probably the only person here who you can actually disagree with, so if I leave this topic might get boring.

No, it can be fun discussing things with folks who agree with you, so you leaving won't make things boring. Besides, despite what you might think, I doubt most of us agree with anything 100%. Well, aside from all disagreeing with you. Pretty sure most of the folks here are further right then I am, I do lean to the right, But I'm largely a centrist. Which is a big reason why I seem to disagree with most of your posts. You lean pretty far left and liberal.