Beginners and Nations

[Most Lee Harmless]

I find the focus on only considering the OP is false. Why for any discussion at all on it if that is all a decision can be based on? Ideas are proposed. Not always fully and not always in full awareness of other factors. The discussion can bring these forward. They can spark new and better ideas. The 'why didnt I think if that!' moments that may not happen until some-one starts the discussion.
Its all very well to say variations or developments of an OP should have their own thread but then we get the long grass syndrome. I have done this, created a new thread to develop such a variation. It's still out there somewhere and long forgotten. What chance the three or four threads this discussion would so create? Do we all have basically the same discussion in five threads?

Player retention is difficult. Nations are difficult for new players to wrap their heads around. I think the OP recognises that and offers one solution. I think other potential solutions belong in this thread to be considered alongside the same arguments and points.

Otherwise, let's not waste bandwidth with any discussion at all and restrict all comments on an OP to + or -1 since that is all that seems to matter.

[DezNutz]

Dez it has nothing to do with recommending a nationality.
It’s only about explaining to the newcomer what is the nationality on the game and giving him the number of citizens belonging to each nationality.
As I said before, I would have never chosen Switzerland if I knew it was abandoned.

Lol..He's not listening Josh!

Actually you aren't. His idea, while loosely related, has nothing to do with the OP. If he wants to present his idea, it needs to be its own topic.

[DezNutz]

I find the focus on only considering the OP is false. Why for any discussion at all on it if that is all a decision can be based on? Ideas are proposed. Not always fully and not always in full awareness of other factors. The discussion can bring these forward. They can spark new and better ideas. The 'why didnt I think if that!' moments that may not happen until some-one starts the discussion.
Its all very well to say variations or developments of an OP should have their own thread but then we get the long grass syndrome. I have done this, created a new thread to develop such a variation. It's still out there somewhere and long forgotten. What chance the three or four threads this discussion would so create? Do we all have basically the same discussion in five threads?

Player retention is difficult. Nations are difficult for new players to wrap their heads around. I think the OP recognises that and offers one solution. I think other potential solutions belong in this thread to be considered alongside the same arguments and points.

Otherwise, let's not waste bandwidth with any discussion at all and restrict all comments on an OP to + or -1 since that is all that seems to matter.

It isn't only considering the OP. If the discussion is fundamentally different from the OP, the idea should be separate. Sure we can talk about it. But I am not going to approve an OP because there exists a good idea within it that is in and of itself different.

The OP asks to make recommendations to new players. This of itself is a bad idea. Sparking discussion for new players is a good thing, but if an alternate idea is discussed it should be presented in its own topic to move forward on.

[DezNutz]

Furthermore. Suggestions are for finished ideas. If discussion needs to occur, then it shouldn't be listed as a suggestion.

[Whitcomb The Feared]

Dez it has nothing to do with recommending a nationality.
It’s only about explaining to the newcomer what is the nationality on the game and giving him the number of citizens belonging to each nationality.
As I said before, I would have never chosen Switzerland if I knew it was abandoned.

Read the first post.

Suggestion- perhaps there should be a list of the notorious nations that would be recommended for a new player to join whenever they are creating their account. This would help with player retention (imo) and help them get stipends, etc.

Let me break this down for you. The above is the OP. Topics are evaulated based on the OP and subsequent discussion. Alternate ideas or fixes have no bearing on the OP, unless the person who made the suggestion adjusts the first post and includes it before a decision is made.

You can suggestion your idea on this topic until you are blue in the face and my response will be the same.

Lol it’s why idea was different than the first post. Not recommending a list of nations but writing how many people are in each nationality to show to the newcomer which nationalities are abandoned and which have members.
If you keep the system as it is now, you risk to have people adding their real nationality not knowing what they are doing. They enter and they see that their nationality is abandoned and maybe they directly leave ... i honestly wanted to leave when I wanted to switch from Swiss to Spanish but I couldn’t because there was a war lol

[DezNutz]

Dez it has nothing to do with recommending a nationality.
It’s only about explaining to the newcomer what is the nationality on the game and giving him the number of citizens belonging to each nationality.
As I said before, I would have never chosen Switzerland if I knew it was abandoned.

Read the first post.

Suggestion- perhaps there should be a list of the notorious nations that would be recommended for a new player to join whenever they are creating their account. This would help with player retention (imo) and help them get stipends, etc.

Let me break this down for you. The above is the OP. Topics are evaulated based on the OP and subsequent discussion. Alternate ideas or fixes have no bearing on the OP, unless the person who made the suggestion adjusts the first post and includes it before a decision is made.

You can suggestion your idea on this topic until you are blue in the face and my response will be the same.

Lol it’s why idea was different than the first post. Not recommending a list of nations but writing how many people are in each nationality to show to the newcomer which nationalities are abandoned and which have members.
If you keep the system as it is now, you risk to have people adding their real nationality not knowing what they are doing. They enter and they see that their nationality is abandoned and maybe they directly leave ... i honestly wanted to leave when I wanted to switch from Swiss to Spanish but I couldn’t because there was a war lol

Stop saying LOL.

A suggestion is a topic providing forth a specific idea with sufficient details. The idea is presented as such in the OP. Discussion on the idea presented can occur, to include opinion and improvements to potentially better the idea. If the idea is worthwhile and sufficient details are provided, the idea can be approved. Alternate ideas should be presented as their own topic. An alternate idea is an idea that is inherently different than the idea presented even though it is of the same general topic.

FOR EXAMPLE:

Providing a recommended list of most notorious nations for new players is inherently different from Providing more information on nations such as stats and functionality to give players a better understanding from account creation. Thus the latter should be it's own topic, even though both are about nations and new players.

[The Lamb]

Well in the future, just make sure all suggestions are formatted correctly:
Example:
"I would like to suggest a suggestion for newcomers and nations, here to for, to represent all ideas related to and stemming from such ideas. Furthermore, all groups, peoples, nations both real and fiction should be discussed in a forum of the people for said suggestions and ideas. While deliberating said ideas and new discoveries, Dez may interject on behalf of the game admins and or developers until such time as thy thread is removed and or depleated of any creative ideas related to the original post or its related ideas. And with that being said the idea is, explain nations to noobs."

LOL, just joking dez

I get why he is saying the OP thing, for those of us who deal in emails day after day. Think of how hard it can be to find specific info in emails not related to the original heading. However, they are all right, OP's spawn new ideas, and there are only so many lines in tavern before they get moved off the board and get lost.

I always tell my employees, dont fix the problem, first you need to fix the problem your new fix will make.

[DezNutz]

I get why he is saying the OP thing, for those of us who deal in emails day after day. Think of how hard it can be to find specific info in emails not related to the original heading. However, they are all right, OP's spawn new ideas, and there are only so many lines in tavern before they get moved off the board and get lost.

This.

It is mostly for development reasons. If a topic gets approved, CJ doesn't want to read through the entire suggestion to find what was finally decided. The OP should contain all the necessary info.

And yes, we could just update the OP, but that isn't our directive. The OP should only be updated by the author, unless the author is no longer active and the update does not fundamentally change the OP, such as adding missing details discussed later on.

And before Danik chimes in, yes we should have written our own topic instead of making an edit to your flagships topic. That is the reason we will not update OPs to match the discussion or present an alternate idea.

[Most Lee Harmless]

With a tinkling chime...

Actually I was referring to doggers and fishing... and ship-building... and maybe half-a-dozen other topics. The flag-ship didnt bother me over-much. It wasnt so much my fresh idea as an attempt to distill some basic frame-work from the whole discussion. I wont be searching the long-grass for that one.

I agree its tough to keep all the ideas and threads concise and clear. Part of the problem can be how so much interlinks : a change in one part of the game knocks-on into other parts and they bump yet others. A good example is how fertile lands got discontinued as changes to port production made it a redundant then it re-appeared as plantations gave it a role again.

So yep. Wrangling suggestions and keeping it all on topic is hard. But straight-jacketing our imaginations dont benefit us either. Maybe something in the direction of slotting suggestions into an over-arching topic might have legs. A sub-forum for each main heading perhaps?

I'd give that idea its own thread but my lawn mower is in the shop for a rebuild. Quite worn the poor thing out.

[Argo]

Dez it has nothing to do with recommending a nationality.
It’s only about explaining to the newcomer what is the nationality on the game and giving him the number of citizens belonging to each nationality.
As I said before, I would have never chosen Switzerland if I knew it was abandoned.

Lol..He's not listening Josh!

Actually you aren't. His idea, while loosely related, has nothing to do with the OP. If he wants to present his idea, it needs to be its own topic.

Name of Thread - Beginners and Nations.
First post _

Suggestion- perhaps there should be a list of the notorious nations that would be recommended for a new player to join whenever they are creating their account. This would help with player retention (imo) and help them get stipends, etc.

Chalbooti
Location: United States of America

Is Josh's concern really in need of its own thread considering the name of the thread and the first post?? I'm confused!