(Rare) Devil Deal

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Re: (Rare) Devil Deal

Postby Maha » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:59 pm

Grimrock Litless wrote:When you get a voodoo, you can don't cast it, no one called you to cast it, if you don't like it, why don't u just sell it to people who wants it, interms of value, not everyone get cards for their value they would get the voodoo because of their usefulness, you ain't the only player playing the game, you may not like it, but others will, why not just sell it to others and forget it?

how is this card useful? it replaces the chance to get a valuable card with the 2 out of three chance to get a invaluable card and that with the loss of 20 turns to boot. who would hope to get this card? it's usefulness is expressed in credit value. a rare card that will have a market value below the 1 credit shows that it is not desired.
whether i cast it or sell it depends on the market. since casting only replaces the devil card with another random card, there is no purpose for casting the card if it is overpriced, that would be as stupid as buying a dime with a dollar! the same goes in reverse why selling the card when you have a 2 out of 3 chance to get a more valuable card by casting it?

Grimrock Litless wrote:Its like saying, "I hate pigs, so everyone cannot eat pork."
sorry i don't follow your reasoning here? to what refer "pigs"? to cards in general, to this devil card specific or to useless cards that lower the chance to get something of value in general? next, we are not discussing to take a card out of the game (that would denying players to use it) but whether to add a card to the game. i hope to prevent that everybody is forced to eat pork (useless cards in general) because someone likes to try it a few times.


Grimrock Litless wrote:A lot of old dogs also get a lot of voodoo from packs everyday, if they get one of those, they can cast to have chance to get good voodoo or just sell it.

it is not old dogs, but those who work hard to be able to. as a less than two month old player i can buy a few per week :) when i get a card that is useless AND of very little value i am not happy, i feel robbed! think of it like this; a serie of 10 products is ranged from 3 to 24 dollar in value. in a blind sale you can get one of these products combined with goods with a lesser value. now an 11th product (a lottery ticket where the odds really are against you) is added with the value of 10cent. who would be happy about that?
Grimrock Litless wrote:This is also, I would say, kind of better then presents, presents give higher chance to get common then uncommon and rare, but this voodoo give same chances for all voodoo.

if, somehow, without buying this card or without getting this card as a present , this card could be added to your voodoo stack, than yes, that would be nice. but that won't happen. you either buy it on the market or it replaces a rare card of real usefulness! so when you get the luck of getting a rare card as a present, and it happens to be this devil, than you really luck out because even with your 1 card 1 chance proposal the chance to get a rare card is low. so this cards lowers the chance to get a real rare card even more!!
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Re: (Rare) Devil Deal

Postby Haron » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:04 pm

I completely agree with Maha on this one. Keep making suggestions, Grimrock. By all means! Sometimes a good one comes along. But when making lots and lots of suggestions, you end up making some bad ones, too. In my opinion, this is among your worst suggestions yet.
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Re: (Rare) Devil Deal

Postby Big Brother » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:41 am

Btw, grimlock, check ur math... what's gonna happen to the sucker that rolls bad... .9 on all cards means a 99.1% chance that you get "no" cards....
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Re: (Rare) Devil Deal

Postby Meliva » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:43 am

Pawnmaster wrote:Btw, grimlock, check ur math... what's gonna happen to the sucker that rolls bad... .9 on all cards means a 99.1% chance that you get "no" cards....

I believe he meant a .9 chance on each card, and with 90 cards that would be a total of 81%. so a 19% chance of no cards. although if this IS added there would also be a .9 chance on getting a second of this. wouldn't that be a waste :lol: regardless his math is off.
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Re: (Rare) Devil Deal

Postby Maha » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:09 am

maha is happy to see that Meliva knows the difference between chance and percentages :)

the 0.9% is easily understood in the intended way; all cards are on equal footing. with 30 common, 30 uncommon and 30 rare the total of different cards is 90. make 90 100% then 1 card = 0.9%
a 33% chance on a rare card looks nice, but Maha beliefs his previous reasoning stands. He adds to this that in jis humble opinion the rare aristocratic rare cards would rebel to be put on equal footing with the common plebeian cards! they refuse to be demoted to common. Rumor has it that the middle class uncommon side with the aristocrats.
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Re: (Rare) Devil Deal

Postby Meliva » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:17 am

Maha wrote:maha is happy to see that Meliva knows the difference between chance and percentages :)

the 0.9% is easily understood in the intended way; all cards are on equal footing. with 30 common, 30 uncommon and 30 rare the total of different cards is 90. make 90 100% then 1 card = 0.9%
a 33% chance on a rare card looks nice, but Maha beliefs his previous reasoning stands. He adds to this that in jis humble opinion the rare aristocratic rare cards would rebel to be put on equal footing with the common plebeian cards! they refuse to be demoted to common. Rumor has it that the middle class uncommon side with the aristocrats.


however like I said, if this card gets added the total number of cards goes up to 91. which will still throw off the math. unless you exclude the possibility of a devil deal getting you another devil deal. and honestly if grim wanted to say all cards have an equal chance of being picked, then he could have said it like I just did instead of picking a percentage.

regardless I believe this to be a bad voodoo to add.
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