Biden 2020

[Leo]

Equipment is pretty much required so its unlikely that will be cut.

I know I said I wouldn't toss ideas around about how the police could be improved because I feel we are beyond "making improvements". However, I lied

First off, don't give traffic police firearms. They can keep they're tasers and batons, but I can't think of a single reason that they would need a semi-automatic pistol. If traffic police are put in separate programs from normal police, then they wouldn't need a gun at all. If they hadn't been carrying pistols, Philando Castile would have likely just been tased, not shot 4 times in the chest. I don't see why a taser can't be used like a gun. It is less deadly by far and can immobilize a threat.

Second, have police on duty in the neighborhood they live in. Statistics show that the majority of police killings were done by officers who lived outside of the community where it happened. This is because police are more likely to trust someone from their community, meaning they are less likely to get "spooked" and shoot someone.

So actually a lot of the equipment can go, no problem. Think of how ironic it is: someone can be killed by the very gun that they're taxes payed for. Want lower taxes? Start here!

You do realize the police exist to protect people who abide by the law from people who are breaking the law.

That is there job. However they don't act like it. If they did, police brutality would not exist. It is beyond me why someone who is being arrested for burglary needs to be tackled and forcefully handcuffed, even when they don't resist at all. Or, in the case of George Floyd, he was being arrested for passing a counterfeit 20. Yet he did not resist and look what happened to him. The reality is, anyone, even someone who is innocent, can expect to be killed by the police. Do you remember Breonna Taylor? The police came to her door without a warrant, without knocking. Her boyfriend who was exercising his rights, pulled a gun on the intruders. Of course the police shot him, and then shot Breonna while she was sleeping. It scares the shit out of me knowing that someone could go to bed and never wake up, not because of a deadly disease, but because the police used deadly force against them when they aren't even conscious. Just thinking about that makes me wonder why people are so unwilling to fix the problem.

[William one eye]

Cops typically are not allowed to have authority in their own neighborhood.


Yeah police brutallitly exists, racist cops exist, currupt cops exist. Its nieve to think they dont. There are crappy prople in almist every profession. But the majority of police are there to help people.

George floyd refused to get in the police car, when they finally did get him in the car he managed to get out the other side of the car. That is not complying, that is resisting. Still no excuse for what appears to have happend to him at the end though.

There was a warrent in the
Breonna incident. It was a no knock warrent.
I would look at the people who requested a no knock warrent.
You have police officers executing a warrent. They are not just randomly busting into someones house they were doing thier job how the warrent instructed and they got shot at so they shot back. Pretty much sucks but if the victims were innocent then warrent issued is the problem.

[Mack]

Equipment is pretty much required so its unlikely that will be cut.

I know I said I wouldn't toss ideas around about how the police could be improved because I feel we are beyond "making improvements". However, I lied

First off, don't give traffic police firearms. They can keep they're tasers and batons, but I can't think of a single reason that they would need a semi-automatic pistol. If traffic police are put in separate programs from normal police, then they wouldn't need a gun at all. If they hadn't been carrying pistols, Philando Castile would have likely just been tased, not shot 4 times in the chest. I don't see why a taser can't be used like a gun. It is less deadly by far and can immobilize a threat.

Second, have police on duty in the neighborhood they live in. Statistics show that the majority of police killings were done by officers who lived outside of the community where it happened. This is because police are more likely to trust someone from their community, meaning they are less likely to get "spooked" and shoot someone.

So actually a lot of the equipment can go, no problem. Think of how ironic it is: someone can be killed by the very gun that they're taxes payed for. Want lower taxes? Start here!

You do realize the police exist to protect people who abide by the law from people who are breaking the law.

That is there job. However they don't act like it. If they did, police brutality would not exist. It is beyond me why someone who is being arrested for burglary needs to be tackled and forcefully handcuffed, even when they don't resist at all. Or, in the case of George Floyd, he was being arrested for passing a counterfeit 20. Yet he did not resist and look what happened to him. The reality is, anyone, even someone who is innocent, can expect to be killed by the police. Do you remember Breonna Taylor? The police came to her door without a warrant, without knocking. Her boyfriend who was exercising his rights, pulled a gun on the intruders. Of course the police shot him, and then shot Breonna while she was sleeping. It scares the shit out of me knowing that someone could go to bed and never wake up, not because of a deadly disease, but because the police used deadly force against them when they aren't even conscious. Just thinking about that makes me wonder why people are so unwilling to fix the problem.

man you need to think a little harder, look up how many cops have been shot, or shot at during normal traffic stops...

[Meliva]

If you did a little looking, like any at all, you wouldn't have too hard a time finding folks who do advocate killing cops. Some of BLM are for it. 2nd, don't give me that "defund the police isn't what is sounds like" crap. Some folks say it means to relocate funds, some folks say it is to abolish police, and all other different interpretations. Want some sound advice? Use a slogan that actually states what you want, and be clear about it. If what you want is to relocate funds, or better cop training, say that. The fact that so many people disagree what defunding the police ACTUALLY entails is just sad.

Also, there's several very simple reasons why you don't have cops assigned to their own neighborhoods, all it takes is just a LITTLE bit of critical thinking to figure out. I heavily recommend you do so in the future, but to save you the time and headache, I'll share a few right quick.

1-what if oh, let's say 50% of the police force in an city live in the same neighborhood, while neighborhood X has no cops native to it?
2-Don't you think it could be risky for cops to patrol their own area, if said cops are corrupt? They could literally set up crimes and make sure not to be near by when they happen.
3-Or, what if they decide to be lenient to the folks? I mean let's face it, If you were a cop and pulled over your brother for speeding, would you give him a ticket, or let him off? What if you pull over your wife or husband? If you give them a ticket that hurts you too. So why would you?

Also you wanna know a pretty easy way to make sure cops don't get spooked and end up shooting you? Use. Common. Sense. Don't make sudden movements, be polite, do what they say when they say it, don't reach for anything unless they ask you to hand them over something, in which case, do so slowly and let them know you are complying.

Now sure, there are bound to still be a few shootings, some cops are just bad. But if you use common sense, and do the above, the odds are unlikely you are going to get shot. Because the vast majority of cops don't go on patrol hoping for an excuse to shoot someone. If a cop shot someone, 99 times outta 100, the cop did so for a reason.

[Leo]

Also you wanna know a pretty easy way to make sure cops don't get spooked and end up shooting you? Use. Common. Sense. Don't make sudden movements, be polite, do what they say when they say it, don't reach for anything unless they ask you to hand them over something, in which case, do so slowly and let them know you are complying.

Also be white?

Did you know that of the total people who are killed by police, black people are 60% more likely to be unarmed? Don't try to use the "but black people commit more crimes" argument, because it's full of holes:

1. Black people actually don't commit more crimes, but are more likely to be arrested for said activity than white people. For instance, before COVID I rode the light rail. Over the many times I rode it I saw a total of 13 people smoking marijuana. 6 were white and 7 were not. All seven that weren't white were arrested by the transit police. Only one of the white people was arrested. This is a true story. The reason that the seven were arrested is a combination of people being more likely to report them based on their ethnicity and subtle racism.

2. Crime numbers are usually based on the number of arrests/convictions. However black men often get convicted for a crime that would earn a white man a $1000 fine. Black people are incarcerated for much lower crimes than black people.

I'd also like to point out that "acting calm" didn't save George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile, Jamar Clark, and Treyvon Martin.

There was a warrent in the
Breonna incident. It was a no knock warrent.
I would look at the people who requested a no knock warrent.
You have police officers executing a warrent. They are not just randomly busting into someones house they were doing thier job how the warrent instructed and they got shot at so they shot back. Pretty much sucks but if the victims were innocent then warrent issued is the problem.

Obviously there is something wrong if the police are handing out no-knock warrants to police officers. Why? Because, as an American citizen, it is my right to defend myself from an intruder using a firearm. Period. So it's extremely stupid that no-knock warrants are even legal. Even with a no-knock warrant I believe that they are supposed to yell "Police!" upon entry. If they had done that then Breonna's boyfriend wouldn't have thought they were intruders. Just because the police have a warrant for your house it doesn't mean that you aren't innocent, because you are innocent until proven guilty. And they weren't even there to arrest anyone. They were searching the house because they believed that a drug lord was storing boxes at her house.

My mistake for saying that they didn't have a warrant.

George floyd refused to get in the police car, when they finally did get him in the car he managed to get out the other side of the car. That is not complying, that is resisting. Still no excuse for what appears to have happend to him at the end though.

I've heard both that he was refusing to comply and that he wasn't resisting. I didn't watch the video just because I don't think I could handle that. And even if he was resisting, they are supposed to be trained how to deal with that. Kneeling on their neck for 8 minutes straight while their life slips from them is definitely not part of it. The problem with the logic "most police officers aren't bad" (AKA "a few bad apples") that you and Mel mentioned is that it really isn't. Not that all, most, or even a majority of police are bad people, but that the system is set up in a way that lets the "bad apples" do what they are doing with no/reduced consequences. Derek Chauvin wasn't even arrested until 3 days after it happened. If I went out in the street and attempted to choke someone with my knee, I would be arrested before they even went unconscious (if they haven't beaten the crap out of me first). If I did end up killing them believe me I would have been arrested on the spot. Also it's illegal to fight back against officers even if they are committing acts of police brutality against you. So basically what that means is that George Floyd took the "legal" way to heaven by just lying there and there and letting Chauvin kill him. And I am certain that if he had defended himself that they would have shot him.

Hopefully what I have said in this post can help you understand that it's more than just an individual problem. Hopefully, but it's unlikely, it will help you shift your way of thinking about the police altogether. But I probably won't make a dent in your opinions no matter how much I post here.

[William one eye]

I have seen police reach an arm in through a doorway and cuff my freinds wrist because he would not come out of his apartment. He had just seen his roomate comply and get arrested for drunk in public the moment he stepped out side.

When he attempted to break free he pulled the cop into the apartment. Then Someone slammed the door shut. Now the cop is screwed.
Hes stuck in an apartment full of drunk guys.
He pulls his mace and got punched by someone and they took his mace.

A group of cops then kick the door open beat my friend nearly onconsious. Cuff him and take him to jail.

Why. Because the cops were jerks.
No it was because a bunch of drunk trouble makers created a very dangerous situation for them by not complying.

You are not going to make a dent in my opinion on this.
I have seen it from the troublemaker side to many times. Everyone i have ever known that claimed they were treated unfairly by the cops deseved it. I have know a lot of them and i knew what they were up to and often had to cover for them because i can keep my head level in almost any situation.


No knock warrents are to prevent desruction of evidence.

Warrents are issued by judges not police.
They are requested by investigators not by zealous cops.

I would argue in the case of Breonna,
A no knock was not appropriate. However i cannot see the evidence that was provided to the judge.

I watched the leaked floyd video. They police were patient curtious and respectful. Floyd was not fighting but he was not complying either.

He is asked repeatedly to get in the police suv on his own.
They even offer that they will roll down the windows to make him feel more comfortable. He still will not get in.
Eventually they push him into the suv. He then escapes the far side of the suv. The video i saw does no show what happened next. Does this make his death acceptable. No
However he was given plently of opportunity to comply.
If was not blatent brutality as it is portayed.

You keep saying the system does not punish cops.
But then you make arguments portraying them as the bad guy off some social media or news commentary you herd with out fact checking it.

The figure with authority is always going to be a more credible witness than the buddies of the crack dealer that was shot by a cop. The testemony of other cops present is going to weigh more.
If they are not honest. That is purgery. Body and dash cam footage does not lie, so if it refutes their testomony they are screwed.

Im certain bad cops shoot good people and get away with it.
Im certain good cops accidentally shoot good and bad people
And sometimes they are let off to easy.
Sometimes innocent people get convicted.

The system is not perfect. No ammount of protesting roiting
vandalism, looting or killimg will give you a perfect system.

Want less police incidents. Decriminalize acts that are not overly harmful to others. Like carrying small ammounts of drugs that could only be enough for personal use. Or perhaphs even decriminalize them all together.

[Dmanwuzhere]

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[Meliva]

Also be white?

Did you know that of the total people who are killed by police, black people are 60% more likely to be unarmed? Don't try to use the "but black people commit more crimes" argument, because it's full of holes:

1. Black people actually don't commit more crimes, but are more likely to be arrested for said activity than white people. For instance, before COVID I rode the light rail. Over the many times I rode it I saw a total of 13 people smoking marijuana. 6 were white and 7 were not. All seven that weren't white were arrested by the transit police. Only one of the white people was arrested. This is a true story. The reason that the seven were arrested is a combination of people being more likely to report them based on their ethnicity and subtle racism.

2. Crime numbers are usually based on the number of arrests/convictions. However black men often get convicted for a crime that would earn a white man a $1000 fine. Black people are incarcerated for much lower crimes than black people.

I'd also like to point out that "acting calm" didn't save George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile, Jamar Clark, and Treyvon Martin.

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If they were so stupid as to do something illegal on a public transport, then frankly they got what they deserved. Not to mention YOU should have reported illegal activity when you saw it. On both the white folk and black. Unless you live in a state where marijuana usage is legal.

Also, yes, some cops are arseholes, and sometimes innocent folk do get hurt, or killed. Innocent white folk have been unjustly killed by cops too, but we don't riot about that. Most folks who die by cops did something stupid though, with the minority being completely innocent.

This isn't a matter of race, it's a matter of some folks acting stupid, and some cops just being bad.

Edit- also, being white doesn't magically make us immune to being hurt or shot by police if we do something stupid. My brother is white, but he got tazed by 2 cops in the chest at once and now has heart problems-he acted stupid though, so I don't blame them for what happened.

[The Lamb]

Also be white?

Did you know that of the total people who are killed by police, black people are 60% more likely to be unarmed? Don't try to use the "but black people commit more crimes" argument, because it's full of holes:

1. Black people actually don't commit more crimes, but are more likely to be arrested for said activity than white people. For instance, before COVID I rode the light rail. Over the many times I rode it I saw a total of 13 people smoking marijuana. 6 were white and 7 were not. All seven that weren't white were arrested by the transit police. Only one of the white people was arrested. This is a true story. The reason that the seven were arrested is a combination of people being more likely to report them based on their ethnicity and subtle racism.

2. Crime numbers are usually based on the number of arrests/convictions. However black men often get convicted for a crime that would earn a white man a $1000 fine. Black people are incarcerated for much lower crimes than black people.

I'd also like to point out that "acting calm" didn't save George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Philando Castile, Jamar Clark, and Treyvon Martin.

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If they were so stupid as to do something illegal on a public transport, then frankly they got what they deserved. Not to mention YOU should have reported illegal activity when you saw it. On both the white folk and black. Unless you live in a state where marijuana usage is legal.

Also, yes, some cops are arseholes, and sometimes innocent folk do get hurt, or killed. Innocent white folk have been unjustly killed by cops too, but we don't riot about that. Most folks who die by cops did something stupid though, with the minority being completely innocent.

This isn't a matter of race, it's a matter of some folks acting stupid, and some cops just being bad.

Edit- also, being white doesn't magically make us immune to being hurt or shot by police if we do something stupid. My brother is white, but he got tazed by 2 cops in the chest at once and now has heart problems-he acted stupid though, so I don't blame them for what happened.

Blue, this thing you wrote is not only inaccurate, it reads like you made up everything on the fly, or you were told this once again by someone who shouldnt be teaching. You cant just make up magical numbers and spout them as facts, thats what the awful teachers did to you and how did that work? There was more white people shot last year by cops than blacks. You need to look up real stats.

You have actually gotten to the point where people have made you feel guilty about your skin color. Thats called racism no matter who does it. If a white person makes a black person feel bad about being black or if a black person makes a white person fell bad, its all racism. Your better than that.

I have never been shot by the cops, i have no warrants, dont drive high or drunk and always go out of my way to make the cops feel relaxed. Even as a white guy, the few times ive been pulled over, the lights go on inside the car, my drivers window goes down all the way, my hands go on the window sill. Its yes sir/maam all the way. Why? They have a tough job as it is, why am i gonna be an a-hole and maybe get arrested or hurt? Im too smart for that, i want to go home.

Man, you act like cops are just going around looking for trouble intentionally. What an idiotic assumption if thats the case. Your a smart guy, you really should start trying to think for yourself, your better than this bull ish. Well maybe your not, your white after all, be ashamed!

[William one eye]

Treyvon Martin was not killed by police.


The philando case was decided by a jury.
A jury is private citizens. Not a judge siding with the cops.
I guess you would prefer not to have jurys and let angry mobs decide outcomes of court cases.



The Jamar Clark case.

He was fighting with ems resuce workers trying to help people.
So not completely free of fault.
However there is absolutely no reason to kill someone who handcuffed and lying on the ground. No explanation can make that ok.