TRUMP 2020!

[Leo the Conqueror]

LOL you should stop watching "The View", Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper, and those idiots called "The Young Turks".

1.) Accusations mean jack, show me the convictions? Speaking of accusations.... When did you stop beating your wife? Your employer should probably terminate you because that is a serious accusation.

2.) Who did he bribe? And of course you have proof of this and not just hearsay..

3.) Obamacare has done nothing but make healthcare costs worse. I went from paying $60 a pay period to almost $250 a pay period because of Obamacare. All in the name of forcing everyone to have health insurance. Hate to break it to you, but healthcare is not a right.

4.) Right.. That's why Mexico has a wall on their southern border. Try illegally immigrating to Mexico. Tell us how that works out.

5.) So wrong it's funny. Hate groups such as the KKK supported and voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Don't believe it do some research. Also look up former US Senator Robert Byrd.

6.) Provide an example. Calling someone a bigot because you don't like them, doesn't make it so.

7.) Climate change/Global Warming is a farce. Take a glass and fill it with Ice Cubes, then fill the glass with water to the brim. Let the ice melt. The water level in the glass will go down. That's science. Fake climate models based on cherry picked and limited data is not scientific. Can you tell me the average CO2 levels and temperature of the earth between the last two ice ages. Mind you the last ice age "ended" something like 10k years ago and the one previous to that was 100k before that. Additionally, if the economy tanks, where are you going to get the money to research how the climate changes 4 times a year.

8.) Why would he want to promote or take questions from "news" organizations that knowingly present false or misleading information. The news agencies that he promotes don't purposely present false and unverified information as fact. Do you know how many times CNN, MSNBC, NYTIMES, etc. have to "print" retractions in regards to their fake "news". But most people don't hear about those, because they bury them.

9.) Same response as #8.

10.) You clearly just repeat whatever you hear on the news. He never encouraged anyone to ingest hand sanitizer. Go ahead and cherry pick the statement, you will prove my point that you are tool. Context matters, but let's go with cherry picked statements. As for your comment on the drug he promoted, you should do some research before spouting nonsense. A recent study showed that the malaria drug Trump mentioned showed that it did actually help patients with COVID. But that doesn't fit the narrative, so ......


TDS... it's a real thing.

I happen to be pretty involved with climate change, and the people who deny it, just like you, tend to be one of two people. Either they dont understand the science, which is what it seems is happening here, or they are just unwilling to accept hard scientific evidence. No, this is not just some glacial cycle! Tell me that in 30 years when there's more plastic in the ocean than fish! Stop denying the truth and screwing over young people's futures, it only makes you look bad.

[The Lamb]

I hate to agree with Dez, but he is right on.

Oh and for all the climate kids out there, the ends justify the means. Just like the 80's commercial about your brain on drugs and all the damage scientists said mary jane does to your brain... now your all legalizing it lol.

For climate though, the 70s and 80's the scientists were warning of a new ice age, thats right... the scare was global cooling, but that didnt happen so the new thing in the late 80's and 90's was global warming, but that was erratic at best, (of coarse it was warming, or no one could have settled Canada) so it became climate change.

To learn, for yourself (not what your spoon fed) learn a little about the Milankovitch cycles and i would also recommend you look into glaciation cycles. You will find out that we are in an inter glacial period, which means we have been warming since glacial max. Thats the reason new york isn't under 1/2 mile of ice, but we still have 3 degrees to go before we even start to come close to the temperatures of the last inter glacial.

Want me to show my work, here is some high grade logic for you (i was going for a degree in geo-chemistry when i lived in anchorage) the reason all that water is locked up as permafrost and is melting... its because during the last inter glacial period... it was all swamps!

Dez is still an ass

Yeah... no.

These are significantly different patterns, just ask literally any climatologist. Did you really think that nothing bad would happen if we pollute the air and tear up the ozone? Seriously, check your facts.

Ok, so.... A few facts, first the earth can only ever get as warm as the amount of solar radiation we take in, thus do some research into the Milankovitch cycles, you will like it. Thats why we can never get as hot as Venus . Second there are two ways to make Ozone. Forst happens high in the atmosphere with cosmic rays, but different rays break it down so that kind a wash. Another is thunderstorms, part of that smell you smell after a good one. So if you once again do your own research, you will find that there is only one place on earth that has no thunderstorms. It just so happens that the only place on earth that doesnt make excess ozone has a thin layer of... take a guess .

Orrrrr, you can believe the bugs bunny physics that all the "bad" chemicals fell to the bottom of the earth . Like i said, ends justify the means, the incomplete science got us to stop using chlorofluorocarbons which were just bad, but R12 rocked!

But what do I know, i just went to school for this stuff and im sure your degree is in?????????

I will give you one chance at redemption for your sources, what is the number one green house gas on earth?

[Dmanwuzhere]

Well seeing that he is involved in highly illegal foreign activity, do I really need to give an explanation for why people don't like him? That's fine, I will anyway. here are some reasons, not in order:

1. He has several sexual assault accusations against him, some are accusations of pedophilia

2. He has proven many, many times that he doesn't understand how the government - or even politics - works, because he is constantly trying to bribe people into supporting him and has asked other world leaders to help him win the election. This, if you are not aware, is completely illegal.

3. He was so quick to insult Obama, especially his healthcare plan, but then failed to come up with a suitable replacement.

4. The wall. This idea that "Mexico is sending it's worst", and that most of the US's problems are - A. immigrants, B. Mexicans - is completely false and pretty darn racist.

5. Even though he never openly said anything in support for hate groups, so, so many of them have endorsed him. Look, chances are that if several white supremacy and other hate groups are supporting you, you're doing something wrong.

6. He is self-centered and bigoted. I know this falls into the opinion category and doesn't give any real actions, it's such a big part of the issue. He insults other people just to get attention and then uses the attention to give himself press coverage.

7. He prioritizes the economy over the environment. I understand that these are two separate issues, but really how important is the economy going to seem in 2050 when so much of the land we take for granted will be underwater and 80% of all other species are extinct? (here are some sources to back up my argument: https://time.com/5824295/climate-change-future-possibilities/https://time.com/5669022/climate-change-2050/https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/04/health/climate-change-existential-threat-report-intl/index.html)

8. He supports political figures and new media just because they are nice to him. At many press conferences, he let AONN reporters talk, saying that "they were so nice to him the last time", and thus spreading fake news spewed out by AONN. He also was quick to befriend Putin, a dictator who the FBI has called "a lunatic".

9. He doesn't answer questions from left-wing journalists and reporters, but instead says something irrelevant or brings up a completely topic altogether.

10. He is probably the highest elected vector for fake news and false facts that the US has seen. He encouraged people to drink sanitizer when to prevent Coronavirus, and as a result at least 8 people died. He then promised everyone that a drug that was still being tested - one that could (but there was still no scientific evidence saying that it would) cure COVID. Because of this thousands of people with Lupus and other health problems did not have access to their medication.

It's almost like every time he does something that I consider stupid I'm not even surprised any more just because of the past 4 years.

so in other words you are not aware of any policies because the news hasnt informed you of any so instead you cling to them as they race to outdo the national inquirer on the most garbage in print

bravo

[PlagueDoctor]

Every conspiracy pretty much has the "FAKE NEWS. Don't trust what they tell you, but research for yourself" in it. Its a nice give-away for how serious the following scientific statement that follows that statement

[DezNutz]

Every conspiracy pretty much has the "FAKE NEWS. Don't trust what they tell you, but research for yourself" in it. Its a nice give-away for how serious the following scientific statement that follows that statement

THat's not conspiracy. It's called source and information verification. When you show a video clip that has been edited and claim it as truth, it isn't a conspiracy theory to call it Fake News when I can view the original video and see for myself to include all the contextual information that shows something completely different.

If you don't read the News, you're uninformed. If you read the News, you're misinformed.


Global Warming/Climate Change is at best a theory and not a very good one at that. Theory is not fact. The fact that they have to regularly change their model to fit observed data shows that their theory is not fact. For example. The previous Climate Model predicted that there should have been a significant increase in temperature. The prediction was made using a model that used a cherry picked set of data to make that conclusion. Low and behold, the prediction was wrong. Instead of looking at the full data and redrawing a hypothesis on that data, they set forth to adjust the model so that the model fell in line with the preset conclusion. That's not science.

[Leo the Conqueror]

I hate to agree with Dez, but he is right on.

Oh and for all the climate kids out there, the ends justify the means. Just like the 80's commercial about your brain on drugs and all the damage scientists said mary jane does to your brain... now your all legalizing it lol.

For climate though, the 70s and 80's the scientists were warning of a new ice age, thats right... the scare was global cooling, but that didnt happen so the new thing in the late 80's and 90's was global warming, but that was erratic at best, (of coarse it was warming, or no one could have settled Canada) so it became climate change.

To learn, for yourself (not what your spoon fed) learn a little about the Milankovitch cycles and i would also recommend you look into glaciation cycles. You will find out that we are in an inter glacial period, which means we have been warming since glacial max. Thats the reason new york isn't under 1/2 mile of ice, but we still have 3 degrees to go before we even start to come close to the temperatures of the last inter glacial.

Want me to show my work, here is some high grade logic for you (i was going for a degree in geo-chemistry when i lived in anchorage) the reason all that water is locked up as permafrost and is melting... its because during the last inter glacial period... it was all swamps!

Dez is still an ass

Yeah... no.

These are significantly different patterns, just ask literally any climatologist. Did you really think that nothing bad would happen if we pollute the air and tear up the ozone? Seriously, check your facts.

Ok, so.... A few facts, first the earth can only ever get as warm as the amount of solar radiation we take in, thus do some research into the Milankovitch cycles, you will like it. Thats why we can never get as hot as Venus . Second there are two ways to make Ozone. Forst happens high in the atmosphere with cosmic rays, but different rays break it down so that kind a wash. Another is thunderstorms, part of that smell you smell after a good one. So if you once again do your own research, you will find that there is only one place on earth that has no thunderstorms. It just so happens that the only place on earth that doesnt make excess ozone has a thin layer of... take a guess .

Orrrrr, you can believe the bugs bunny physics that all the "bad" chemicals fell to the bottom of the earth . Like i said, ends justify the means, the incomplete science got us to stop using chlorofluorocarbons which were just bad, but R12 rocked!

But what do I know, i just went to school for this stuff and im sure your degree is in?????????

I will give you one chance at redemption for your sources, what is the number one green house gas on earth?

Ok, I'm glad that you are doing some research yourself, but your not completely correct. I have no degree... because I have not graduated. My father is the senior climatologist for my state, so I went to many conferences and presentations, picking up lots of info that contradicts a lot of what you are saying. First of all, your argument is very common, but can be simply disproved by looking at some graphs. Here are a few:


Yes, the Earth has been in glacial cycles forever and therefor has always been warming and cooling, but...
We are responsible for this global warming event. I actually don't like using the word global warming because it doesn't tell in full what is going on. Global warming is only a small part of climate change. And yes, you are correct about ozone being regenerated, but humans are stripping it away faster than it can be recreated, resulting in massive holes in the ozone, which lets extra sunlight get in. The greenhouse gasses, the biggest and most common being CO2 (carbon dioxide), trap the ultraviolet rays from the sun inside the atmosphere, creating "the greenhouse effect", which, in turn, makes "global warming".

It's not a simple issue, and neither is the science, so there is always bound to be loads of misinformation about it. However, even if it did turn out that climate change was just some hoax created by the government or something, we should still protect or planet better. Recycle when you can, minimize your carbon footprint, stuff like that. But, since the science seems to be in favor of climate change flooding over 30% of the land we stand on, killing the majority of fish in the ocean, and wiping out so many species of trees, all by 2050, why deny it? At that point you are only part of the problem. It's a problem that is going to hurt, even ruin, many people's futures. Being part of that generation, I understand why this is so important. It's easy for older people to brush it off as if it were nothing, because they most likely wont be around to feel the effects of it. And what's funny is that they are mostly responsible for the problem in the first place. But the younger generations - millennial and gen-z - are the ones who are going to have to feel the full force of what their "elders" threw upon them, and they are going to have to be in charge of the solution. So go ahead and say that I'm making too big of a deal out of something ordinary, but it's my future that's at stake; it's my future that will get ruined if we don't do something.

Scientists have far past the "is it a problem" stage and moved onto the "what the heck are we gonna do about this one" stage. Already laboratories are coming up with solutions to the effects that climate change will have. But it's your job to get with the program before it's too late.

[sXs]

Ok, I'm glad that you are doing some research yourself, but your not completely correct. I have no degree... because I have not graduated. My father is the senior climatologist for my state, so I went to many conferences and presentations, picking up lots of info that contradicts a lot of what you are saying. First of all, your argument is very common, but can be simply disproved by looking at some graphs. Here are a few:

Funny every time I see one of these posts, the date and data only goes back to the beginning of the industrial age. The claims are the earth and mankind has never seen temperatures like this.....

.....except



Second...... do your own research.... there are just as many scientists that believe "climate change" is a political issue not a scientific one. http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence

I have hundreds of studies, research papers and peer reviewed articles that will counter everything you have posted.

The true nature of science is that it is NEVER settled. The very nature of the science dictates this. To believe that human activity is the sole cause of climate change is anti science because it does not allow for any other possibility to be true.

Climates, surface and atmospherical temperatures are cyclical.

[Leo the Conqueror]

I'm sorry, no matter how much I try to convince people, they still bring up misinformation. I will no longer post in this thread because it is clear that you guys are unwilling to accept scientific evidence and therefor it is pointless for me to continue. You are part of the problem.

[sXs]

I'm sorry, no matter how much I try to convince people, they still bring up misinformation. I will no longer post in this thread because it is clear that you guys are unwilling to accept scientific evidence and therefor it is pointless for me to continue. You are part of the problem.

what was misinformation in my post. Please provide proof.

You're saying the climate and surface and atmospheric temperatures are NOT cyclical?

or are you saying that the only possible explanation for climate change is manmade activity?

Or are you saying the earths temperature has never been warmer in history?

[Leo the Conqueror]

Bring this to the 'SAVE OUR PLANET!' forum and I'll explain. I'm done in this thread