TRUMP 2020!

[Leo the Conqueror]

oh also another thing I remembered was I was talking about mass shootings not shootings and you have way more of those over there

Um how many people if color are part of your political system.
Last time i checked you stole an land from indiginous people and did not treat them any better than we did.

Easy to claim lack of racial issues when you are mostly a white nation.

Also you have a very low population density.

No person, drug or weapon can enter your country by land border.

In my opinion

The average Australian us fairly green, open minded, and laid back. I applaud that. Just keep the afore mentioned things in mind when being critical of others.

Yes i think the usa is broken. I think communists are trying to take our freedom. I may be wrong on this but i would rather eer to the side of independence, capitalism, and free republic.

This is the first I've heard of "communists trying to take our freedom". If you are referring to socialist liberals, I encourage you to dig around a little and see what they actually stand for, because it definately isn't communism. And I would argue that it isn't communists but fascists that we should be worried about, just based on the president, the Senate, and the Republican politicians who support him.

[Mack]

blue just keep being a loyal willfull idiot

[William one eye]

No i mean the communists.

https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-commu ... outh-vote/


Nothing wrong with a little social welfare that helps people who truely need it. Its not ok when social welfare is your forced way of life.
Its even worse when the government tells you its not ok to have a different opinion.


If you believe that a 4 year appointment of an elected candidate,
Who is supported by some senators who were also elected, and some members of their party is some how a facsist dictatorship, maybe you do not belive in democracy.

[Meliva]

the point I am try to make though is why do you need so many guns because some people in the US have multiple guns and you don't need multiple guns

What's wrong with owning things you don't need? Why are you trying to dictate how many guns a person should own? If they bought them legally and are not misusing them then why do you care if a person owns one gun or one hundred? Maybe some folks like collecting them. Maybe some folks use guns for different purposes. I for example wouldn't take a handgun if I went out to hunt a deer. Would prefer to take a rifle for that sort of thing. On the other hand, I would think a handgun would be better to defend myself if intruders broke into my home. Regardless, if a person wants to own multiple guns, so long as they get them legally and do not misuse them, they should have the right to do so. It doesn't matter if they do or do not need them. There are many things we do not need, but may want. That does not mean we should only be allowed to have what we need. That logic is just bad.

[Meliva]

Also, once again hilarious how you are being such a hypocrite Blue. If anyone is acting like fascists it's the left. Many on the left have gone out of their way to try to shut down debates, silence the opposition, use violence and other fear tactics to silence opponents. Gee, wonder who else acted like that.

Oh yeah, the brown shirts back in the 1930s who were part of the Nazis. They also liked to shut down speeches and silence opponents.

[The Lamb]

oh also another thing I remembered was I was talking about mass shootings not shootings and you have way more of those over there

Um how many people if color are part of your political system.
Last time i checked you stole an land from indiginous people and did not treat them any better than we did.

Easy to claim lack of racial issues when you are mostly a white nation.

Also you have a very low population density.

No person, drug or weapon can enter your country by land border.

In my opinion

The average Australian us fairly green, open minded, and laid back. I applaud that. Just keep the afore mentioned things in mind when being critical of others.

Yes i think the usa is broken. I think communists are trying to take our freedom. I may be wrong on this but i would rather eer to the side of independence, capitalism, and free republic.

This is the first I've heard of "communists trying to take our freedom". If you are referring to socialist liberals, I encourage you to dig around a little and see what they actually stand for, because it definately isn't communism. And I would argue that it isn't communists but fascists that we should be worried about, just based on the president, the Senate, and the Republican politicians who support him.

And thats why people bring up your age You obviously dont even know what communism and fascim is.

Kim,

What do people have different/multiple guns? Im assuming you ask because your home only has one knife to share and that one knife butters bread, cuts your steak when you eat, chops your veggies, cuts the string on your fishing pole, slices your sheet rock and clears brush in your yard? No, you have different tools (knives) for different things. (at least i hope so ) Same thing with all tools, and guns are included as they only tools as well.

Mel,

I already brought up the parallels of these people and the brown shirts of Germany, the black shirts of Italy, but blue either ignored it all or had no rebuttal, and thats ok... just means he doesnt want to see things as there are, he wants to remain in never-land and thats ok too, sad, but ok.

[Lachlan]

How are guns tools? They are made to kill or injure someone or something. I get that you might need 2 or 3 like one for hunting and one for personal defence but I mean people with 5 or 10 guns (just for 1 person, not the entire family). I also partially agree with Blue, communists aren't trying to take over your country. No country is fully democratic or communist. For example free healthcare is a socialist/ communist idea. Most first world countries have that except you guys. (which btw I still don't understand why you have no free healthcare)

[Lachlan]

the point I am try to make though is why do you need so many guns because some people in the US have multiple guns and you don't need multiple guns

What's wrong with owning things you don't need? Why are you trying to dictate how many guns a person should own? If they bought them legally and are not misusing them then why do you care if a person owns one gun or one hundred? Maybe some folks like collecting them. Maybe some folks use guns for different purposes. I for example wouldn't take a handgun if I went out to hunt a deer. Would prefer to take a rifle for that sort of thing. On the other hand, I would think a handgun would be better to defend myself if intruders broke into my home. Regardless, if a person wants to own multiple guns, so long as they get them legally and do not misuse them, they should have the right to do so. It doesn't matter if they do or do not need them. There are many things we do not need, but may want. That does not mean we should only be allowed to have what we need. That logic is just bad.

I'm trying to say this gun culture is unhealthy some of you people have a obsession with guns and it just doesn't make sense to me... Why all these guns? If one gun makes it into the hands of a psycho they can kill lot's of people. Mass shootings and school shooting are really common. Yes they could have bought a gun legally but why did it make it's way anywhere near this persons hand. If there were less guns there would be less of a need to arm yourself with a gun. Other countries have reduced their number of guns and it has worked for them. Arming yourself with a gun is not a solution. Why is having so many guns a good thing? Someone please explain because I don't get this!

[Meliva]

How are guns tools? They are made to kill or injure someone or something. I get that you might need 2 or 3 like one for hunting and one for personal defence but I mean people with 5 or 10 guns (just for 1 person, not the entire family). I also partially agree with Blue, communists aren't trying to take over your country. No country is fully democratic or communist. For example free healthcare is a socialist/ communist idea. Most first world countries have that except you guys. (which btw I still don't understand why you have no free healthcare)

Ever hear of firing ranges? Some folks might like to shoot guns for fun. Just like some folks like to do archery for fun. And yes, guns are tools. Just because their purpose is to kill or injure does not magically make them something else. All a weapon is is a tool used for hurting and killing or hunting. Swords are tools. Knives are tools. They can also be weapons to kill.

And once again, most gun crime is done with guns that are obtained illegally. And if a person who is responsible for their guns and does not misuse them has multiple guns that's perfectly fine. Doesn't matter WHY they have them. My dad kept 3 guns chained up and unloaded mounted on a wall in a bedroom when I was growing up. He kept no ammo in the house, and he chained those suckers up really well, with a heavy lock. He no longer went hunting but he wanted to keep them. Why should he be forced to get rid of them? It does no harm for someone to own guns.

The people who want to go and kill people, will find a way, no matter what. I mean, hell, arson, driving people down in a car, home made bombs, poisoning food at a public event, there are SO many ways a person could do to do a massacre. Hell, ever hear of that man who literally built a tank in his garage? I think it was called killdozer or something. Bloody miracle that he only wanted to wreck some buildings and not actually kill folks.

Humans are clever and adaptable. Guns are already difficult to get in the US. Not impossible mind you, but not as easy as you think it is. That doesn't change the fact that folks can get them illegally, or use alternative methods. Seriously you act like harder gun laws would fix all the killings, they won't. People will just adapt. Or keep using illegally obtained guns.

Edit-The best way to try to get rid of homicides and massacres is to remove the motive. Look at why something happens and try to get rid of that. Because getting rid of how they do a crime is more or less pointless. Too many ways honestly. Give better education, enforce strict anti-bully policies, maybe have folks who monitor student's mental and emotional health etc. Most folks don't just decide on a whim to go and kill a bunch of folks. Usually something pushes them to a breaking point and they snap.

That being said, some folks are just crazy so there will always be some folks who hurt and kill, but better monitoring of student's well being could help catch them ahead of time.

[The Lamb]

Thats all correct. Its no ones business how many guns anyone has. People will find a way if they are disturbed, evil enough. Look at the Boston Marithon bombers who used pressure cookers, they felt they had a good cause to justify violence and destruction (be careful thinking that way blue).

Want to fix violence, maybe meds arent always the best way to treat people. Maybe some actually need to be institutionalized. Maybe, everyone is actually different... Maybe not everyone wins all time, maybe my generation (x) let down our kids by not teaching them to get off social media, not teaching them to be self confident, not teaching them how to fall down and get back up.

I as a parent let my kids fall, then help them get up and try again. There is no participation trophy, but lots of band aids, hugs and kisses. My oldest daughter just got married at 24. She bought her first house 6 months ago, her and her new husband put 100k down that they saved together since the graduated high school, she is part time military, 1 semester from her business degree (goes 3/4 time), works full time and makes bank! Doesnt want govt freebies.

I never told her a getting a non sense degree in dance theory was a great idea out of fear it would hurt her feelings, i told her how the world works. She amazes me! She wont be shooting anyone with her guns, she is incredibly giving and caring but wont be looking for communism to fill a void in her life. She cant protest, riot or loot, she is too busy building a good life for herself as is her husband (also part time military, going to school part time, working full time).

These are legal gun owners in America.

Oh why we dont have free health care, we dont want the mess that these other countries have in their health care systems, we want to continue to innovate so these other countries can use our innovations without forking out the capital from their "free" systems. A large portion of people own homes, cars and other debt/assets. Having a 45- 55% tax rate would cause millions to loose their assets for lack of income. However, our system really needs an overhaul, but there should also be an acknowledgement that if someone has the money to come to the US for healthcare they fly here and get their surgery, treatment, etc. If these free healthcare countries were that good why would the people of means come here?

That was a rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer.