Biden 2020

[Leo]

No, I'm not a denier.

You must not have read any of my posts if you want me to name the policies that I don't like, but I will go ahead anyway (you will probably just tell me that they make sense)

- His response to refugees from Syria seeking asylum
- His decision to pull out of both the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement, both of which were extremely important to the safety of the entire world
- He opted to open businesses back up WAY before anything should have been opened, leading to a very large spike in COVID cases and deaths
- He attempted to open up oil drilling in the Superior National Forrest, which is a protected natural habitat in northern Minnesota and Wisconsin
- He has been trying to block mail-in voting and bring it back to in-person, which will cause millions of COVID cases, and all based on a hunch that democrats are trying to rig the election with almost no significant evidence
- Trump's travel ban

The list goes on and on, but this is just what I thought of in 5 minutes. Now, I will give him credit for a law that he passed, one that required musical streaming services to give musicians 43% more money per stream, as musicians were getting seriously ripped off. That is probably the only thing that he's done that I agree with, although I think there was one other law he passed.

[The Lamb]

Blue,

I answered a bunch of your complains listed above and... crickets.

First im not a republican, although i do lean right. I am first and for most a realist. There is absolutely no doubt that you have been lied to . There is absolutely no doubt that even though you have been lied to you continue to eat up the narrative your being spoon fed. I know this because i have watched the interviews (both sides) and said "wait that didnt happen", i have read the stories and articles (both sides) and said well that is a lie, because i watched the entire interview lol. Its called logic. Obama, Biden, Clinton and Trump had the extract same stance on Immigration for example, but only Trump is a Racist. Wierd huh? If you start using deductive reasoning (not taught much in school anymore), its very easy to see what is going on which is why more democrats are saying "I didnt leave the democrat party, the party left me".

I know you like to respond from the heart, and thats cool, but you never actually respond to anything factual that i or anyone else says, and then you get frustrated and say a few names. The reason for actions are always important, you need context.

I am very glad to hear you have toned down the anarchist rederick, and you seem to be thinking some of the la la land ideas you started with are a bit "bat sh@t crazy". And that is fantastic, it shows you have a brain and are open to a little de-programming

But you have to get over this loathing of the president for no reason other than being told half truths, misdirection and slight of hand opinion narratives. You have yet to actually give one "real" thing he has done wrong. Here is a fake example of conversain:

News Paper article: "Trump says american kids are below standard and education is stupid"
Blue: I hate trump, he has said education is stupid.
Draque : I saw the interview, in the interview your talking about trump said "Kids should be at a higher standard in school and we are lagging behind as a country. Its stupid to not demand more of our educations system."
Blue: But what about how he hates science?
Dez: How did we get here, Draques right, thats not what he said
Kim: Does trump even support expanding education
Mel: Absolutly, but wants parents to choose what schools
Blue: But Trump is such a fascist, we should limit his free speech so he cant say education is stupid
Dman: You hear what your saying right, you want to limit his speech as fascists do because you dont like what someone else wrongly said he said.
Blue: Your all white privileged racists who hate puppies and want to kill socialist.

That about right?

[Leo]

I like the puppet show.

Here's how I see it:

News paper article: "Trump pushes to raise maximum legal emission levels in order to make cars cheaper to produce"
Mustache: Wait, what? Why would he do that? The prices of cars won't matter in 35 years when the air is literally poisonous to breath due to climate change and there is almost double as much plastic in the ocean as fish.
Draque: He did that? Cool, cars have been costing too much money!
Mustache: Why would you say that? Have you forgotten what the recent study about what the world will be like in 2050 revealed?
Dez: Climate change is fake.
Mustache: Saying that is blatantly ignorant, because the science has showed thousands of times that climate change is a very real issue, and that if it isn't solved soon, the world is going to die.
Draque: Actually, Dez is right. Here are some raw numbers that when not put in context make it look like climate change doesn't exist.
Mustache: But obviously you can't decide whether or not climate change exist just based on some numbers. You have to do tests, studies and experiments. That's why it's best to listen to the experts who are trained to do that and not jump to your own conclusions.
Draque: But these numbers is all I need...
Mustache: No, it's not. You are not a climatologist, nor do you have a degree in climatology or meteorology, so it is not your place to make those statements. I'm not a doctor, and I'm not going to burst into the emergency room and tell them that the patient they are standing over is in fact having a stroke, not a cardiac arrest.
Mel: Does it really matter? We are all going to die some day anyway, so why even bother to try and fix this problem?
Kim: Well climate change isn't really a problem where I live in Australia. The US should really base your climate model off of us.
Mustache: No, that's not even close to true, and Australia is doing worse than the US in terms of climate change-prevention
Mack: Fake news
Mustache: How?
Mack: TRUMP 2020!
Mustache: that doesn't add anything to the conversation
Draque: Wow you've really been lied to.

How was that?

[DezNutz]

No, I'm not a denier.

You must not have read any of my posts if you want me to name the policies that I don't like, but I will go ahead anyway (you will probably just tell me that they make sense)

- His response to refugees from Syria seeking asylum
- His decision to pull out of both the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement, both of which were extremely important to the safety of the entire world
- He opted to open businesses back up WAY before anything should have been opened, leading to a very large spike in COVID cases and deaths
- He attempted to open up oil drilling in the Superior National Forrest, which is a protected natural habitat in northern Minnesota and Wisconsin
- He has been trying to block mail-in voting and bring it back to in-person, which will cause millions of COVID cases, and all based on a hunch that democrats are trying to rig the election with almost no significant evidence
- Trump's travel ban

The list goes on and on, but this is just what I thought of in 5 minutes. Now, I will give him credit for a law that he passed, one that required musical streaming services to give musicians 43% more money per stream, as musicians were getting seriously ripped off. That is probably the only thing that he's done that I agree with, although I think there was one other law he passed.

Thanks for proving that you are clueless sheep.

- His response to refugees from Syria seeking asylum.

The US does not have to accept asylum seekers. Why should the US accept asylum seekers when their are nations logistically closer that are considered "safe" countries to claim asylum.

- His decision to pull out of both the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement, both of which were extremely important to the safety of the entire world

The Iran Nuclear Deal did nothing to prevent Iran from continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

The Paris Climate Agreement was meaningless. Unless ratified by the Senate, the agreement was illegitimate and held no authority within the US. Maybe you should have payed attention during civics on how agreements, treaties, etc. must be ratified by the Senate to have effect within the US. Furthermore, the deal did nothing to curtail climate and was nothing but a money hole to the US Taxpayers.

- He opted to open businesses back up WAY before anything should have been opened, leading to a very large spike in COVID cases and deaths.

He did nothing of the such. Him recommending to open businesses to curtail economic collapse has nothing to do with the States opening businesses. Tenth Amendment. Learn what it does.

- He attempted to open up oil drilling in the Superior National Forrest, which is a protected natural habitat in northern Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Well within his authorities as the President. If you don't like it, get Congress to do something and change the laws. Also Energy Independence is important.

- He has been trying to block mail-in voting and bring it back to in-person, which will cause millions of COVID cases, and all based on a hunch that democrats are trying to rig the election with almost no significant evidence

Strawman Argument. You can't prove it will cause millions of COVID cases. You don't see millions of COVID cases from protestors. As well, mail-in voting is prone to fraud. Look at all of the other developed countries like those in Europe that liberals like to use as examples. None of them allow mail-in voting because it is to easy to commit fraud.

- Trump's travel ban

Well within the authorities of the President. If you don't like the laws written, complain to Congress. It seems that you don't have an understanding of the US Government works. Laws are enacted by the Legislative Branch (Congress). The Executive Branch is charged with implementing and enforcing the laws. If you don't like the laws, you need Congress to change them. Blaming the President for enforcing the laws is just asinine. He didn't create the laws.

[Leo]

Hey, I know it's well within his authority to open up drilling in the national forests and to ban people from certain countries. Just because he is allowed to do it does not mean that he should. Both of those things are wrong to do.

[DezNutz]

Hey, I know it's well within his authority to open up drilling in the national forests and to ban people from certain countries. Just because he is allowed to do it does not mean that he should. Both of those things are wrong to do.

If it was wrong for him to do, he wouldn't have the authority to do so.

[The Lamb]

Hey, I know it's well within his authority to open up drilling in the national forests and to ban people from certain countries. Just because he is allowed to do it does not mean that he should. Both of those things are wrong to do.

BTW, your back and forth was funny as hell

Although, you must have forgot the big posts i did on climate change being real and why... Oh and a side question... at different points in earths history, it was way colder and way warmer than now... We are supposed to be so afraid of climate change so when was the perfect climate? Can you tell me? No seriously... when?

You know there are people out there who know more about things than you do, and no i dont mean have better brains, i mean are privy to information that your not. So while you arm chair quarterback every little move that orange man bad does, maybe, just maybe they are making decisions based on information that you dont know and dont need to know.

Just a thought

[Lachlan]

Hey, I know it's well within his authority to open up drilling in the national forests and to ban people from certain countries. Just because he is allowed to do it does not mean that he should. Both of those things are wrong to do.

If it was wrong for him to do, he wouldn't have the authority to do so.

I don't think that's necessarily true.

[Lachlan]

No, I'm not a denier.

You must not have read any of my posts if you want me to name the policies that I don't like, but I will go ahead anyway (you will probably just tell me that they make sense)

- His response to refugees from Syria seeking asylum
- His decision to pull out of both the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement, both of which were extremely important to the safety of the entire world
- He opted to open businesses back up WAY before anything should have been opened, leading to a very large spike in COVID cases and deaths
- He attempted to open up oil drilling in the Superior National Forrest, which is a protected natural habitat in northern Minnesota and Wisconsin
- He has been trying to block mail-in voting and bring it back to in-person, which will cause millions of COVID cases, and all based on a hunch that democrats are trying to rig the election with almost no significant evidence
- Trump's travel ban

The list goes on and on, but this is just what I thought of in 5 minutes. Now, I will give him credit for a law that he passed, one that required musical streaming services to give musicians 43% more money per stream, as musicians were getting seriously ripped off. That is probably the only thing that he's done that I agree with, although I think there was one other law he passed.

Thanks for proving that you are clueless sheep.

- His response to refugees from Syria seeking asylum.

The US does not have to accept asylum seekers. Why should the US accept asylum seekers when their are nations logistically closer that are considered "safe" countries to claim asylum.

- His decision to pull out of both the Iran Nuclear deal and the Paris Climate agreement, both of which were extremely important to the safety of the entire world

The Iran Nuclear Deal did nothing to prevent Iran from continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

The Paris Climate Agreement was meaningless. Unless ratified by the Senate, the agreement was illegitimate and held no authority within the US. Maybe you should have payed attention during civics on how agreements, treaties, etc. must be ratified by the Senate to have effect within the US. Furthermore, the deal did nothing to curtail climate and was nothing but a money hole to the US Taxpayers.

- He opted to open businesses back up WAY before anything should have been opened, leading to a very large spike in COVID cases and deaths.

He did nothing of the such. Him recommending to open businesses to curtail economic collapse has nothing to do with the States opening businesses. Tenth Amendment. Learn what it does.

- He attempted to open up oil drilling in the Superior National Forrest, which is a protected natural habitat in northern Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Well within his authorities as the President. If you don't like it, get Congress to do something and change the laws. Also Energy Independence is important.

- He has been trying to block mail-in voting and bring it back to in-person, which will cause millions of COVID cases, and all based on a hunch that democrats are trying to rig the election with almost no significant evidence

Strawman Argument. You can't prove it will cause millions of COVID cases. You don't see millions of COVID cases from protestors. As well, mail-in voting is prone to fraud. Look at all of the other developed countries like those in Europe that liberals like to use as examples. None of them allow mail-in voting because it is to easy to commit fraud.

- Trump's travel ban

Well within the authorities of the President. If you don't like the laws written, complain to Congress. It seems that you don't have an understanding of the US Government works. Laws are enacted by the Legislative Branch (Congress). The Executive Branch is charged with implementing and enforcing the laws. If you don't like the laws, you need Congress to change them. Blaming the President for enforcing the laws is just asinine. He didn't create the laws.

why not accept Asylum seekers. Just because they are further away doesn't mean you can't except them and give them a home and a safe and stable environment to raise their kids in if they have any

[The Lamb]

Its international law. Asylum Seekers must apply at the next nearest state that doesnt endanger them. Its due to the costs, logistics and if someone was really in fear for their life, why would they want to shop around for a place to stay, its a way to fight against fraud as well.