Biden 2020

[Lachlan]

Did you guys think Barack Obama was a decent president?

Not really no.

why is that?

[Meliva]

Well for starters, with all the crap Trump get's about "children in cages" that started under Obama. Obamacare also wasn't good in my opinion. I also dislike how a lot of folks condemn trump for certain things, yet casually forget or pardon Obama. There was also the issue of him giving some millions or billions of dollars to I think Iraq or Iran. Then we also have the fact that he, much like Biden tried to take credit for things that happened in Trump's presidency.

All in All, I think Obama is a likable person, but an ineffective leader. Sort of the opposite of Trump, Who's honestly an arse, but pretty good at leading.

edit-I will admit however, that I am not the most qualified person to rate his presidency. I was only an adult for part of it, and highschool Mel was not one for politics-Adult Mel still isn't really, but a bit more then my younger days.. Hell i recall we had a highschool election, and I had to pick democrat or republican-Independent wasn't an option, so I just picked democrat not knowing crap. Then when I saw my choices between Obama and his opponent for the primary, didn't know who to pick, a security guard told me to pick the other guy cause Obama was muslim, and frankly, I was like "eh f*ck it don't really care one way or another" and just went with the other guy since that was literally the only advice I got-very poor rather xenophobic and misguided advice, but again-highschool Mel didn't really care.

My rant aside, curious to see what older folks who actually were adults through all 8 years have to say of Obama. Always did like listening to old folks ramble It's where I get it from

[The Lamb]

Did you guys think Barack Obama was a decent president?

Not really no.

why is that?

I voted for Obama, but with hindsight, he was one of the most corrupt administrations i can think of. Illegal Wiretaps on all Americans and foreign officals, illegal drone strikes, IRS attacks on opponents, jailing opposition reporters, using the DOJ as a political weapon, bad handling of the economy, bad deals with Iran, biden deals with China, Biden Deals with ukrain, Uranium one deal to sell 20% (if memory serves) of American Urainium mining capasity to Russia with Clinton, gave arms to cartell in mexico, kids in cages at boarder, starting the illegal spying on presidential campaigns, weakened our military, kissed Russia's arse with the reset button, weakened our global economic strength with bad policies, weakened our military strength but kept us in wars we should have gotten out of, kept giving N.Korea and others ultimatums but never followed through, removed Kadafi with no replacement, policy of appeasement led to many attacks on US military and embassies, refused to acknowledge ISIS problem till too late and couldnt bring himself to admit to groups of Muslim extremist, incredibly divisive here at home and started the whole "let them vent" looting and rioting and refused to give back the nobel peace prize he won before even taking office... thats all i can think of on the spot... i can find more if you like lol

[Meliva]

yeah gotta say really didn't like how he was given a nobel peace prize just for being the first black president. I mean, yes, it's a historic moment, but he hadn't even DONE anything at that point. Was just the first. I mean, by that logic, will a nobel prize be given to the first woman president? And the first black female president? And Asian? First openly gay or other lgbt president? I don't think a nobel peace prize should be given just because you're the first "insert minority" president, or any other major position. Will the first black Pope be given a nobel peace prize? I would hope not. It should be given because you did something. Not just because you were first.

[The Lamb]

Oh it was ridiculous! Mel, by their logic, If you get a Black, lesbian, female president it would be three Nobel peace prizes.

[Lachlan]

wasn't the deal with Iran to prevent them from making nukes? Also I thought the US military was actually still going steady because of the F-35's coming in. I thought it was just that China is launching new ships and planes faster than the US because China's army has always been pretty big due to their large population

[The Lamb]

wasn't the deal with Iran to prevent them from making nukes? Also I thought the US military was actually still going steady because of the F-35's coming in. I thought it was just that China is launching new ships and planes faster than the US because China's army has always been pretty big due to their large population

The deal gave them absurd amounts of cash to promise not to lie this time and wait to make nukes for a few years, and we were going to trust them this time not to do it, meanwhile they were giving some of that cash to the terror cells attacking us and still making fissile material. If memory serves, inspectors had to give a 2 week notice before doing an inspection. Crazy really. What i learned about Obama, everything was either a power grab, a money grab, or a way to leave his name in the history books. But hey, atleast he did nothing for the black population and killings in Chicago (he was from Illinois) when he was president and just bought a lavish house in the Hamptons with the millions and millions of dollars he made while and after being president.

No china's military is large because of the military receiving moneys from things that are made in china Lucky for the rest of the world, they are behind in military tech, for now at least, but if they could take over the world, they would.

[Meliva]

wasn't the deal with Iran to prevent them from making nukes? Also I thought the US military was actually still going steady because of the F-35's coming in. I thought it was just that China is launching new ships and planes faster than the US because China's army has always been pretty big due to their large population

They were given 1.3 Billion dollars apparently due to an old deal where they paid the US around 400 Million for some airplanes some decades ago but never got them due to unforeseen events.. Apparently the 1.3B was due to also being interest on top of the initial 400M. However, it was also used as leverage to get 4 american prisoners from them.

So in other words, Obama paid them roughly 4 times what they paid us to get 4 prisoners. Now he denied that they were paying a ransom, and that it was just paying an old debt and the prisoners were just being exchanged, but that's just a flat out lie.

I could understand paying them 400M if they did indeed give us that decades ago. Maybe even a little extra. I would not pay them over triple what they gave us. I'd probably go no higher then 500 Million, and still demand the prisoners. Though I'd be reluctant to pay any ransom, even under a different name.

Edit- also china does have a large military and army, but mostly due to lot's of money, and people. But funny enough due to how many soldiers they have, they literally can not afford to give every soldier modern gear. Many have hand-me-downs and out-dated gear. Same with a lot of their tech. Lot's of tanks, planes and ships, but a lot are old. It takes a lot of money and effort to maintain a modern military , and it takes a lot of money and effort to maintain a massive military, couple both together and you now have a very nearly impossible goal.

[William one eye]

Oh it was ridiculous! Mel, by their logic, If you get a Black, lesbian, female president it would be three Nobel peace prizes.

They are planning to give Biden the peace price when he defeats trump as his first presidentisl act.

[Lachlan]

wasn't the deal with Iran to prevent them from making nukes? Also I thought the US military was actually still going steady because of the F-35's coming in. I thought it was just that China is launching new ships and planes faster than the US because China's army has always been pretty big due to their large population

They were given 1.3 Billion dollars apparently due to an old deal where they paid the US around 400 Million for some airplanes some decades ago but never got them due to unforeseen events.. Apparently the 1.3B was due to also being interest on top of the initial 400M. However, it was also used as leverage to get 4 american prisoners from them.

So in other words, Obama paid them roughly 4 times what they paid us to get 4 prisoners. Now he denied that they were paying a ransom, and that it was just paying an old debt and the prisoners were just being exchanged, but that's just a flat out lie.

I could understand paying them 400M if they did indeed give us that decades ago. Maybe even a little extra. I would not pay them over triple what they gave us. I'd probably go no higher then 500 Million, and still demand the prisoners. Though I'd be reluctant to pay any ransom, even under a different name.

Edit- also china does have a large military and army, but mostly due to lot's of money, and people. But funny enough due to how many soldiers they have, they literally can not afford to give every soldier modern gear. Many have hand-me-downs and out-dated gear. Same with a lot of their tech. Lot's of tanks, planes and ships, but a lot are old. It takes a lot of money and effort to maintain a modern military , and it takes a lot of money and effort to maintain a massive military, couple both together and you now have a very nearly impossible goal.

yeah they are modernising fast though and their going to have a new carrier soon because their current one is a hand me down from Russia