Biden 2020

[The Lamb]

Only the communists, fascists, dictators and Nazis dictate what freedoms certain groups of people get to have. Luckily we live in merca We all have all freedoms or no freedoms. All of us. The 1st Amendment gives all the right to free speech, and the 2nd protects the first


Anyone feel like we have met a real life cliche?

[Lachlan]

@blue

Have you had a job?

I started working when i was 12.
Thats not a joke. I delivered newspapers and
Then did both that and baby sitting.
When i got a bit older i picked crops in the spring and fall on weekends and weekdays in the summer.
Then i worked in construction.
All before i graduated high school.
I continued to work construction in the summers and on school breaks.

We are getting jobs a little later in life like I'd say 1/4 of my friends have a job now. Most are just about 16 now but I'm 15 because I was born in December. The reason why we work less is because most are prioritizing schoolwork/homework over working. The percentage of my friends working I would say would be about 40 percent now instead of a quarter if this pandemic had not hit because I was going to look for a job myself to get skills and stuff but we'd rather give the job we would take up to an adult who is struggling financially and unemployed so he or she cannot support their family. The reason why we are starting work later in life is because it isn't necessary to get a job at 12 because your parents can support you then and some are waiting till after high school. That's why it went from little kids during the industrial revolution working to then around 10-12 starting work like yourself and now my generation at around 15-16 because it isn't necessary to start early now. In 50 year I don't think it will change much from now though.

[Lachlan]

Blue construct your arguments and case a little more robust by thinking a few steps ahead about what their counter would be and fix it accordingly. This is why (I'm assuming your around my age) nobody has been able to really pass of my arguments as complete nonsense because I've been able to at least partially counter them and their counter arguments. A bit of advice I think is useful not just for young people but also older people (but they already probably do that lol).

P.S I play chess and am pretty good at it

[William one eye]

"but we'd rather give the job we would take up to an adult who is struggling financially and unemployed so he or she cannot support their family"

Rofl.

I wish you were joking, but i know your serious.

[William one eye]

Actually most of your arguments are more nieve and more uninforned than blue.

I strongly dissagree with blues points of view, but at least he seems to read most of the counter arguments presented to him.
Hes occasiinaly changed his point of view based on the discussion on some things, and others he has held his ground.
As a good discussion should progress.
If you think your agrument stands because you failed to read or accept a rebuttle, theres not much else i can say.

[The Lamb]

I bought my oldest daughters first car at 16, but in order to drive it, she had to maintain b+ (but she was honor role with AP classes) and had to have a job to pay for insurance and gas and had to do a sport. It sat for 3 months.

1st, we did not need the money
2nd, she needed to learn to balance work responsibility, school, social life
3rd, she needed to gain some real world experience to counter the crap she was learning from social media and a few teachers
4th, i wanted her to be able to fall while still in my house, so i could help her learn to get back up if needed
5th, she could live with me after high school but would have to work full time or work part time and go to school full time. She chose to stay a while, then bought a house with her new husband, almost has her degree (one semester left), works full time and does part time guard.

The difference between her and blue besides 3 years, is she listened instead of knowing it all, now blue is pessimistic, blaming the world for everything and hoping for a revolution, and she is grabbing the world by the balls and building a great life. Which one is better, who knows.

Its not a generational thing, its a had it too good for too long thing.

However, like Will, i too have seen a few points where blue has in fact changed his stance a little. There may be some logic creeping in his emotions

[Lachlan]

"but we'd rather give the job we would take up to an adult who is struggling financially and unemployed so he or she cannot support their family"

Rofl.

I wish you were joking, but i know your serious.

Why do you wish I'm joking? What is wrong with that? Please explain

[William one eye]

I dont think blues about to jump up and agree with us.
But i see signs hes at least thinking more about his progressive
Ideals and finding his specific place instead of just going all in with the herd. He has made a few points that made me do research and question my point of view on a couple of things.
In not even close to swinging his way, but i have looked more closely at somethings i usually would ignor.

I did not have to work, i had every thing i needed.
I worked so i could buy things i wanted, or had money to do stuff with my friends.
I was an A student and was in the AP program.
I worked and studied and saved money.

The first thing i did when i graduated college was
Move back into my parents house for 6 months.

I saved every dollar i could during that time and then used that money to put a down payment on a house.

[Lachlan]

Actually most of your arguments are more nieve and more uninforned than blue.

I strongly dissagree with blues points of view, but at least he seems to read most of the counter arguments presented to him.
Hes occasiinaly changed his point of view based on the discussion on some things, and others he has held his ground.
As a good discussion should progress.
If you think your agrument stands because you failed to read or accept a rebuttle, theres not much else i can say.

What are you talking about? I've read all peoples replies to me and responded to most. I have also changed my views numerous times. Not sure what you are talking about lol. How you managed to think this when I respond to almost every reply to my arguments is beyond my comprehension. I have also changed my view about guns partially and now get why people in America might have lot's of guns. Yes probably my arguments are naive but I've said that myself numerous times and they are generally reasonably sound. For example I think Mack, You or someone else said that my generation thinks it's cool to take drugs and the percentage had increased which I instantly knew was not true

[Lachlan]

I dont think blues about to jump up and agree with us.
But i see signs hes at least thinking more about his progressive
Ideals and finding his specific place instead of just going all in with the herd. He has made a few points that made me do research and question my point of view on a couple of things.
In not even close to swinging his way, but i have looked more closely at somethings i usually would ignor.

I did not have to work, i had every thing i needed.
I worked so i could buy things i wanted, or had money to do stuff with my friends.
I was an A student and was in the AP program.
I worked and studied and saved money.

The first thing i did when i graduated college was
Move back into my parents house for 6 months.

I saved every dollar i could during that time and then used that money to put a down payment on a house.

I have also been saving since I was aware I had money so like 3. I'm chinese so I also get red packets on top of birthday money. I haven't gotten a job earlier in life because I spend much less than my friends. I did notice I was starting to loose money more than I was saving though so I thought hey I'll get a job. Unfortunately you cannot work at 12 in Victoria, Australia because legal working age is 14 and three quarters I think so from then to when the pandemic started I only had a few months. I decided I should wait till my birthday and then start looking after but then the Coronavirus happened