Biden 2020

[William one eye]

Taxes.

Many nations impose much higher taxes on purchases.

This has an effect in items purchased by travelers,
However it fairly taxes people based on what they consume.

I do not support this type of tax on non resturant food purchases or hygenic items. It should be limited or scaled for nessecary items that can diverge into luxury items,
Like clothes and apperal or transportation.

[The Lamb]

Just a little information on Federal Tax Revenue...

In 2016:

The top 1% of earners paid 37.32% of tax revenue - $ 538 Billion
The top 5% of earners paid 58.23% of tax revenue - $ 840 billion
The top 50% of earners paid 96.96% of tax revenue - $ 1,399 Trillion
The bottom 50% paid 3.04% of tax revenue. - $ 43 billion

*I rounded moneys collected

So more that half of all government revenue come from the top 5% of earners. Sheesh, how much more of "their fair share" do they need to pay to make you happy lmao!

Well, the top 1% has more combined money than the entire bottom 50%.

A lot of billionaires use tax loopholes that let them pay less.

Here is a fun fact:

Jeff Bezos makes enough income after tax EACH MINUTE to pay for someone's full 4-year Harvard tuition.

And all his Amazon warehouse workers are paid barely over minimum wage, plus are forced into terrible working conditions. Couldn't someone with that much money give workers decent pay and better working conditions? I would say that if he is making that much money after taxes, he isn't paying his fair share.

So? Its his money and their choice to work for him. Jealousy isnt a good way to build a policy . See thats the problem with your line of thinking. You see the world as bring the wealth people down and give away what they worked for, I look at the world as give the opportunity for the poor to become wealthy themselves.

We dont want to give away fish, we want to teach people how to catch their own and if they choose to sleep that day, well then i guess they are hungry.

Two different schools of thought

Will, i would love to see a tiered flat tax in income and a federal sales tax, as you mentioned, to fill the gap. Would be much fairer for all and everyone would pay in based on spending.

[Leo]

Hmm, an interesting idea.

It is his money. What I'm confused about is before this you guys are all like "jobs jobs jobs!" and then when I bring it up this way you say "well it's their choice to work for him". Strange.

I think that there should be laws prohibiting companies from treating their workers the way that Amazon does. It is cruel, unethical, and seems like it should be illegal, and it surprises me every time to hear that it's not.

Here are some of the things that they do:

1. The warehouses are over a mile across at certain points. Employees are only allowed bathroom brakes of 10 minutes once every day (or at least last time I checked), and there is only one bathroom in the entire warehouse. You can probably imagine that you would have to walk an extremely long distance to get to one.

2. They do not give maternity leave, and do not allow women to take work off when they are pregnant. The same bathroom rules apply to pregnant women.

3. After a man was crushed by a piece of faulty machinery, Amazon still refused to require workers to wear safety equipment when operating machines, and often don't even provide it at all.

4. Water fountains are also scarce, and are located in sometimes very inconvenient locations. Employees must only get water from water fountains while on their 10 minute break. Employees are not allowed to bring a water bottle instead.

5. A few years ago a woman fainted on the job due to several reasons, one being dehydration, another being lack of AC in the warehouse. Her managers thought that she was faking it and refused to bring her to a hospital, and she nearly died. Once the manager realized that it WAS serious she was given water and was resuscitated, but right after she was told to "get back to work". Amazon got hundreds of complaints from this, and even a few lawsuits, but in the end never apologized and the manager wasn't fired.

Here is some more information on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A

It's both informative and comedic, but you guys will probably come up with some reason to tell me that it's fake.

[William one eye]

If you dont like how amazon treats employees
Dont use their services.

No one is forcing them to work there.


I worked in a meat processing plant.

You could easily get, crushed, baked, boiled, frozen, dismembered, perserved, impaled. It was cold and everything was covered in blood and slime. In some places it was below freezing. its not overly uncommon for people to get killed in the plant.

Why would anyone work there.

They hire legal residents and citizens who want to work.

Most of the other jobs available in the areas where they set up the plants have been taken by people that most likely do not have legal residency. Or those who do and are willing to work harder for less wages.


Off the top of my head Other pretty hard jobs with crappy and or dangerous conditions

Roofing
Siding
Framing
Crop picking
Stonework
Carpentry
Metal work
Machinist
Mechanic
Plumber
Electrician
Tile setter.
Cook
Logging
Soldier
Landscaping
Fence building
Emt
Fireman
Dare i say it....police officer

[The Lamb]

Hmm, an interesting idea.


It's both informative and comedic, but you guys will probably come up with some reason to tell me that it's fake.

LMAO, no reason to come up anything! There are laws governing everything you brought up and if there were any actual violations of law (not violations of feelings LMFAO!!!!!!) there would be fines and lawsuits and some workers would make a some cash.

And it is the employees choice to work there if the conditions are as bad as you say. All companies have rules, breaks are mandated for all non exempt employees by the FLSA.

Is it hard for you to believe that a companies goal in life isnt to accommodate every employee it hires? Its job is to produce "fill in product/service here" and if its smart, they will be competitive on wages and benefits to keep good talent.
Maybe they cant bring water bottles because of the sensitive electronics, robot and sensors all over.
Maybe they dont want to have water fountains in the open because of the wire guidance runs in the floor telling the automatic lift trucks where to go.
Maybe they dont want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars designing, pulling permits, hiring contractors, re-routing electronics just to add a few fountains so the employees dont have to walk an extra 50 feet.

Spoiled spoiled spoiled

Man, you really have no experience in the real world do ya? Its all theory, virtue signalling and anecdotal atrocities. It boggles the mind, you seem so smart at first

[William one eye]

@blue

Have you had a job?

I started working when i was 12.
Thats not a joke. I delivered newspapers and
Then did both that and baby sitting.
When i got a bit older i picked crops in the spring and fall on weekends and weekdays in the summer.
Then i worked in construction.
All before i graduated high school.
I continued to work construction in the summers and on school breaks.

[Meliva]

Neo-nazis are evil. Period. They are allowed to be evil, but they really need to be controlled before they actually hurt someone.

Please stop saying weather you, gentiles, think that neo-nazis should be allowed to exercise their freedom of speech in a hateful way. This issue does not affect you, so it's best that you stay out.

Just like I wouldn't support anyone from silencing or controlling you, I won't support anyone from silencing or controlling Nazi sympathizers or neo-nazi's. I might not like what they believe in, but so long as they break no laws they have the freedom to say what they want, now if they try to go out and hurt any jew's or other groups, then they deserve to be arrested, tried in a court, and locked up. I know a few folks who are neo-nazis/symphathizers. Personally, I greatly dislike them, and try to avoid them.

Another matter, is that my grandfather, was quite anti-Semitic. He wanted to fight in WW2 against the nazis, even though he believed that them killing jew's was more or less "them getting taken to the cross". He was very vengeful and spiteful over what happened to Jesus. Though, he still supported his country, and wanted to fight the nazis for most of their other crimes. Certainly don't approve of his feelings towards jew's, most of my family didn't. His beliefs is a major reason why I'm not religious anymore.

My point being that, everyone has their flaws, some are worse then other's. Though folks have a right to their beliefs, no matter how stupid or vile they may be, so long as they don't commit any crimes. I'm not proud of my grandfather's hatred of jews, even if I somewhat understand that it came from his very zealous religious belief, though I don't believe that folks like him should have been silenced or that their lives don't matter. He was law abiding, hard working and cared for his family and country. Hell he wanted to fight in WW1 and 2, but both times he was not able to.

[Mack]

im willing to bet 50 million youve never been in an amazon let alone know how they operate blue

[Argo]

Neo-nazis are evil. Period. They are allowed to be evil, but they really need to be controlled before they actually hurt someone.

Please stop saying weather you, gentiles, think that neo-nazis should be allowed to exercise their freedom of speech in a hateful way. This issue does not affect you, so it's best that you stay out.

Blue...sorry Lord Mustache...how can you say it doesn't affect us? 'Stay out of it'.
Herein lies a problem.

As a global community it very much matters what Nazis and other hate groups etc do - we are all affected by this - not just you!

I may not have had a jewish relly who suffered in the way your family has...but I do feel compassion and sorrow about it happening. I understand you are personally involved but because of that very thing - - I am affected. My conscience speaks, my heart aches.

You SAY you want socialistl/communist tendencies?
That all should have/be/do the same and call it equality...but how can you separate a community from yourself like that when you spout that something that hurt you personally doesn't affect others? Illogical.
Throw a pebble in a pond Blue and watch how far the ripples go...and so it is with a global community.

So now, again, with respect, you are being ignorant, hypocritical and selective. Pain on any level for any reason is pain - and we all (mostly) feel it.
Equality to you seems to encompass social, family, political, economical etc standards but no equal standard for more personal emotional/ mental in this case - tranny/being black is different? What?? pfft.
Pain is exclusive to you bc you have first account of it? Nah.

That's not a whole package Blue. You cannot expect others to understand your pov when you try to isolate them from the situation emotionally and then tell them its got nothing to do with them and expect them to agree/comfort/stand for/with you.
If that's the case, stop using those arguments.

[Meliva]

Also blue, you constantly speak about what black american's go through, how the system is racist, yet none of that affects you personally. So by your very own inane logic, YOU should not be speaking about it.

Just because an issue is not directly affecting someone, or they have no relatives does not mean folks should be quiet about it.

If I saw my neighbors house being robbed, should I just go about my day? NO- I call the police, doesn't matter if my house is not involved. If anyone want's to promote violence, or censoring speech, or any other violation of freedom, I'm going to speak out about it. Doesn't matter who is advocating for what, or who their target is.

We all have freedoms that should never be messed with. Freedom of speech, and being able to believe whatever you want. That doesn't mean we accept those believes as a good idea. Some folks might say women should stay in the kitchen. They can say that all they want-so long as they don't try to force women to stay in the kitchen.