TRUMP 2020!

[Mack]

wait thats not what you said trump said, read your own words, how can you change what you mean depending on the response you get from it smh

im gonna call you john carry

[Leo the Conqueror]

Never mind I was just using his own words against him

[Meliva]

She was literally voted anti-semite of the year in 2019 by the NGO stopantisemitism.

https://www.stopantisemitism.org/anti-s ... f-the-week

[Mack]

i didnt even watch the video.. i can find a lot of goofy az democrats to show you

[Leo the Conqueror]

Oh yes I quite agree they are goofy. I don't like em either.

[William one eye]

There is a reason you do not like the candidates they pick.

IN MY OPINION. however historical evidence to support this opinion is not hard to find. Even if some of it is being removed at the moment.

Im certain There are plenty of candidates that support the expressed views that the democratic party preaches. They are never given the chance, because the party leaders and backers
do not want them.


The party leaders prey on anyone that can be suckered by the promise of a handout, the promise of a having a voice for thier cause, or the promise to help you help others and feel better about your self. But all they want is your vote.
Many laws and aid packages they pass are designed to hold people in their current economic status. Maintaing the status quo.

Many liberal, democrat and progressive voters may truley believe in the progressive efforts that win them to the party, but i highly doubt anyone the party pushes out to run things has many of these things in mind.


One day perhaphs you will realize the democratic party,
Id voter by race and sexual orientation. They do what ever they want to these groups, to make certain they remain operessed or outcasted so the will feel they need the democratic party help. Then point their finger at conservatives and blame them for doing the profiling and opressing. Most cobsercatives only care if you are conservative, not what race, religion, gender or gender preference you are. They only care if you are conservative or willing to consider voting consevative. Or at bare minimum listen to their side of things with fair consideration.

Listen when people argue politics,

Most Democrats tell you what to think.
You better agree fully with their cause or their is something wrong with you.


Most consercatives tell you what they think, not what to think.
Athough a conservative will have no problem saying they think your opinion is wrong. Even if sometimes you might be right.

Now i have no problem if you want to be an informed liberal,
However be informed, dont just accept what cnn tells you.
Do some fact checking, read some history, make up your own mind. If you still believe in your idealistic views. I have no problem with that. Then, if you still believe the democratic party is making things better, i still have no problem with that. i disagree they are actually helping but more power to you.


Republicans
Blocked the spread of slavery
Defeated the confederacy freeing tge slaves.
Passed laws to force emancipation
Founded schools to educate freed slaves
Started the naacp
Fought for desgregation
Have consistantly supported legal immigration.
Started the civil rights and womans liberation


Democrats

Formed the confederacy
Formed the kkk
Eventually passed civil rights legislation to win votes
But Blocked desegregation efforts till the mid 1970s

Neither party is particularly good,
Trump side stepping the republican partys typical buericratic
Process was a good thing. Even if hes not very presidential, even if he makes bad descison, even if some of the things he fights for are lost causes. He is trying his best to do what he said he was going to do.
If you cant see that your blind.

So to put it in a different perspective

Imagine if a progressive candidate that wanted the key things you want showed up, that candidate intended to implement programs that actually helped people. instead of just talking about it and making empty promises. Then they were determined to try their hardest, to do it, even if the conseravitves fought them at ever turn,
Even if the democtatic party line politicians hated them.
Even if the media watched their every move to grab something poorly spoken, and use it out of context to crucify them.

If that candidate managed to get so much support that the democratic party had to run them. And then they won the election.

Would you not support that candidate whole hartedly?
Its what the democratic party needs,

That person might not be polically mannered enough to look presidential or politically experienced enough to do a good job, maybe some of their ideals are up to your exact standards. The fact they are making a real effort to make things better would probably be inspiring to the fact that partys can change and not be held hostage by lobbiests.

[Leo the Conqueror]

I actually agree with most of what you were saying.

However, yes, the democrats formed the confederacy and the KKK, but they also were a different party back then.
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democ ... forms.html
https://history.house.gov/Exhibitions-a ... -New-Deal/

A lot of people claim this to be fake, but I, as a Democrat, am ashamed of the party's past and most likely would have voted republican back in those times. It's not complicated, but both parties held much different values than they do now.

I believe that the democratic party, in their current state, will never pick a very progressive -or even good- candidate. Luckily change is on it's way. Also a big problem with the way the country runs is the electoral college. You can defend it if you like, but it really is pointless. For instance, you don't have to win the popular vote to win the presidential race because of the electoral college. For example Hillary had 3,000,000 more votes but because of the bad math and because of the electoral college, Trump still won. No matter how much you dislike Hillary, you must admit that isn't very fair or democratic.
https://www.kqed.org/education/532852/i ... -democracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6HFdSCDq48

[Meliva]

Something I think a lot of people need to remember is the old saying. "give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach that man to fish for himself, he eats for life." A lot of policies just give handouts, or other things, that, while certainly helpful at least to a degree, do not solve the problems.

A lot of politicians, more so on the left then the right have the nasty habit of giving the poor and desperate just enough to convince them that they are helping them and are good for them, but not enough to be in a good enough position where they no longer need help. It's a vile tactic.

Also, the electoral college is needed Blue. Otherwise low population farming states like mine, would be nearly powerless to super dense city heavy states like New york. The college helps to make sure that lower population areas still have some impact on the national stage. Kansas might only have 6 votes, and New york may have 29, a difference of 23. New york still has more power, but not overly much so.

Population wise, it's a little under 3M to over 19M. A difference of 16M. That is a massive bloody difference. Too much to justify abolishing the college.

[William one eye]

I disagree, in my opinion i dont think the party changed, their message changed, and their voters believe them and support what they preach not what they do.

Im ashamed the republican party accepted the
race mongering bigots that fled the democratic party when the democrats started trying to win minority votes in th e 1960s

I do not in any way support the electoral college system.
No reason we cant just have a popular vote.

Some times it might favor one side, some times the other.

It would mean every vote truly counts.
No matter what voting district you live in.

[Meliva]

I'll admit, the electoral college has flaws, but it's better then popular vote. Look at how folks tend to try to win elections now. They go to swing states, argue points, etc. Some states are solidly red, some blue. The nominees have to try to appeal to as many states as possible, to secure the most votes. With popular vote, you just need to appeal to the most people, regardless of what state they may or may not live in. So it's very likely that many nominees would throw Kansas under the bus, if it meant appealing more to say New york. Or throwing Alaska into the wood chipper to secure California.

The president of our country should try to win as states, not people. Otherwise like I said, heavy population states would be shown favor over low population states.