TRUMP 2020!

[Leo]

Lol I literally looked up cheesy morals and found this. I do agree some people's opinions shouldn't be respected ie. Dez's . However notice it doesn't say to respect their opinion, but more their right to have an opinion. For instance I don't agree with your opinions on many issues and moreover don't respect it, and you probably don't respect mine. But I respect your right to have an opinion, even if it isn't a good one. Can we agree on that?

EDIT: also, I think respect doesn't have to be "earned". I think it can be taken away if someone does something obnoxious, but by default there is no reason not to respect someone.

[Meliva]

Probably shouldn't just pick up cheesy morals without thinking it through. Though yes, I do respect you're right to have an opinion, though that isn't the same as respecting you as a person. At the moment, I can say that I don't really respect you as a person. From what I can tell, you're heart is in the right place, but you're a naïve optimist. Likewise, you probably think I'm a bitter cynic or something.

And again, some people should not be treated with respect. Take one of my grandfather's for example. He was an abusive man, who did what I consider an unforgivable crime, that I won't say here, though if anyone is curious you can message me. So, if he suddenly came back to life, and wanted my help, I'd be tempted to tell him to go die in a ditch. On the other hand, my other grandfather was a very good man for the most part, and if he suddenly came back to life, I'd risk an arm and a leg to help him out.

Edit-I won't just respect someone I just met. I don't know what kind of person they are. Until I know their character a bit better, I won't respect them. I will be neutral. Be civil and polite sure, but don't let my guard down and be wary.

[Leo]

Did you read my edit? You should respect everyone unless there is a reason not to. Like your grandfather it makes sense not to respect him, but if you are walking down the street and you pass someone who you know nothing about, why not respect them? What's stopping you? Innocent until proven guilty as always, yes?

EDIT: Sorry, I guess I think of respect in two different ways. I think of respect like respecting someone as a human, and then respect like looking up to a hero. I guess I'm just used to using it a different way. I think we are thinking pretty much the same.

[Meliva]

Why should some random person on the street have my respect? It's not like he's earned it. It's also not like me not respecting him hurts him in any way. Now you shouldn't just disrespect anyone who hasn't earned it. That's what i think you are not getting. You can respect someone, be neutral to someone, or disrespect someone. I believe everyone should be neutral, until the other person moves up to respect, or down to disrespect.

[Leo]

Sorry I guess I was thinking more "be respectful to them" rather than "respect them". My bad. I changed my signature (again) to something a bit more factual.

Anyway, back to Trump.

Wouldn't you call it racist that he told four congresswomen of color to "go back to where they came from" when they criticized the way Trump was running things? First of all only one of the four was born outside the US, so I guess by saying that he was assuming that they were born somewhere other than America solely based on the color of their skin. If not, than what the hell was he talking about? Second Trump's entire 2016 campaign was based on complaining about Obama. So he's aloud to complain but other people are not? Also, one of the core foundations of this country is the ability to call out problems and work towards a solution. So if Trump is so pro-America as Mack claims, why would he say this?

BTW I'm going to defend my state representative, Ilhan Omar, for being "anti-Semitic" as Trump claims. You are aloud to criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic. I personally think what's going on in Israel is plain stupid. And I assume (but can't know for sure) that Trump wouldn't have called a white person criticizing the Israeli government anti-Semitic. As a Jew, I don't find this offensive or ant-Semitic at all. If someone were to criticize the Zimbabwe government, are they racist? Of course not! So what's the difference if it's Israel, the UK, Germany, Egypt, or any other country? Criticism is criticism, regardless of who lives there. Plus Trump allegedly said (and when accused said that he "probably did say that") "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." If Ilhan Omar's anti-Israeli gov remark is anti-Semitic, then what the hell do you call that? He never denied that he said this, and as I mentioned said that it was probably correct to say he said it. How would you like to defend this?

[Meliva]

Wasn't trumps full quote, that they should go back to where they came from, and fix those places up, before criticizing how the US is doing? I know for a fact that Somalia isn't in good shape, if it was, Ilhan probably wouldn't have fled to the US as a refugee. The other 3 members of the squad, should also do a better job of running their districts. I still recall how AoC kept amazon from moving into her district, denying thousands of jobs to people. Way to stick up for the working class there.

As for whether or not it was racist, well it was certainly rude to say the least. Though at the end of the day, while I may not like trump as a person, or agree with some of his ideas, I still think he is doing a good job as president. Would I replace him with a more likable person who could do an equally good job? Definitely. Would I replace him with a more likable person who would do a worse job? Probably not. How good a person does the job should determine whether or not they have it. Not how likeable or popular they are. Not to mention he's certainly better then Biden. That man is at the onset of dementia by the looks of things. Not to mention the fact that, he is just as unlikable if note more so then Trump. His career in politics is filled with lies and racist remarks and actions. So unless a new contender pops up who can do a equal or better job then trump, and is more likeable, trump has my support.

Also, don't you think it's hypocritical of Omar to criticize the Israeli government, but NONE of the muslim governments in the middle east? Which, are far, FAR worse then Israel's.

Edit-As i've said before, I don't really like trump as a person. Though I do like many of the things he's done as president. Which, is more important to me. I'd much rather have an unlikeable arse who does a good job, then a loveable saint who makes a massive mess of things.

[Mack]

so is there any good reason to vote for biden, you know other than the democrats and the media and your dad telling you to hate trump and vote for biden

[DezNutz]

Lol I literally looked up cheesy morals and found this. I do agree some people's opinions shouldn't be respected ie. Dez's . However notice it doesn't say to respect their opinion, but more their right to have an opinion. For instance I don't agree with your opinions on many issues and moreover don't respect it, and you probably don't respect mine. But I respect your right to have an opinion, even if it isn't a good one. Can we agree on that?

EDIT: also, I think respect doesn't have to be "earned". I think it can be taken away if someone does something obnoxious, but by default there is no reason not to respect someone.

That's nice. You even put a laughing emote. So cool man.

Respect is earned. As Mel said, being polite and courteous doesn't mean there is respect for that person. Acting respectful and having respect for someone are entirely different.

For example, I have met both Nancy Pelosi and the late John McCain. While I have no respect for either, I still was polite and courteous to them in the short but trivial talk I had with them when I ran into them on Capitol Hill.

[DezNutz]

Sorry I guess I was thinking more "be respectful to them" rather than "respect them". My bad. I changed my signature (again) to something a bit more factual.

Anyway, back to Trump.

Wouldn't you call it racist that he told four congresswomen of color to "go back to where they came from" when they criticized the way Trump was running things? First of all only one of the four was born outside the US, so I guess by saying that he was assuming that they were born somewhere other than America solely based on the color of their skin. If not, than what the hell was he talking about? Second Trump's entire 2016 campaign was based on complaining about Obama. So he's aloud to complain but other people are not? Also, one of the core foundations of this country is the ability to call out problems and work towards a solution. So if Trump is so pro-America as Mack claims, why would he say this?

BTW I'm going to defend my state representative, Ilhan Omar, for being "anti-Semitic" as Trump claims. You are aloud to criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic. I personally think what's going on in Israel is plain stupid. And I assume (but can't know for sure) that Trump wouldn't have called a white person criticizing the Israeli government anti-Semitic. As a Jew, I don't find this offensive or ant-Semitic at all. If someone were to criticize the Zimbabwe government, are they racist? Of course not! So what's the difference if it's Israel, the UK, Germany, Egypt, or any other country? Criticism is criticism, regardless of who lives there. Plus Trump allegedly said (and when accused said that he "probably did say that") "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." If Ilhan Omar's anti-Israeli gov remark is anti-Semitic, then what the hell do you call that? He never denied that he said this, and as I mentioned said that it was probably correct to say he said it. How would you like to defend this?

What does one's national heritage have to do with Race?

English, French, Polish, German, Egyptian, Somalian, Palestinian, Turkish, El Salvadorean, Mexican, Canadian, Australian, Cambodian, Panamanian,
South African, etc. are nationalities not races.

There are some nationalities that fall into the the realm of ethnicity. Such as Israeli, Loa, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

Trump's 2016 campaign wasn't entirely complaining about Obama, wasn't even a large portion. Did you bother doing any research or did you just harp DNC talking points? Obama was a horrible president and did more damage to the country, economy, and race relations than he did trying to "fix" it. Fixing the problems that we have by undoing the crap of Obama, Bush, and Clinton are a step in the right direction. So things like fixing illegal immigration, deregulation, supporting US jobs and workers, bringing back manufacturing, stop bending over backwards for everyone else, etc. are exactly what this country needs.

Omar is an anti-semite. The whole of the Democratic Party including her highness Nancy Pelosi made Omar apologize for several anti-semetic remarks. I believe it was early 2019.

Do you understand the difference between allegedly and actually? Oh wait, that's right you are a leftist. Accusation is all you need, actual evidence only matters when the accused is a supporter of your causes.

[Leo]

Bruh give me an "anti-semitic" quote. Again I'm Jewish and nothing that she has said seems to me to be antisemitic. Anyway I don't like the DNC because they pick stupid unlikable candidates like Hillary and Joe. So why would I steal their stuff? I'm aloud to make the same points as them without supporting what they do.

Plus Dez you offend people every day so does it really make a difference? Do what Trump said and fix your own problems before you start complaining about other's