Biden 2020

[Meliva]

blue, for goodness sake, did you really use Wikipedia as one of your sources? The site that anyone could go and just edit whenever with whatever? If this were a college paper and you tried using that as a source, you'd probably get a failing grade. At this point it's just sad.

Also, once more, for the love of my nonexistent god, take-your-own-advice. You should learn to not say anything at all when you don't know what you're talking about.

Black people commit roughly over 50% of most violent crimes despite being 13% of the population. Also since they are constantly fed this narrative that cops will kill them for being black, this causes them to be more nervous, paranoid and perhaps hostile when facing cops-which can lead to altercations. Also, the number one cause of death in young black men, is other young black men.

I'm also sure that BLM is too busy killing folks, burning down stores and other important business that they can't take literally a few minutes to make some statements.

"I do not support or condone X, Y ,Z."
"we should act like X, not like Y".

Fill in the letters with what you need. Literally would take maybe 5 minutes to make a quick statement. But nah, gotta focus on rioting. No time for that.

By all means, do your school work. You clearly need the education.

[Mack]

yes please go on blue..


ALL LIVES MATTER!

[Meliva]

Here's a fairly credible source. Certainly better then Wikipedia.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... able-6.xls
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-43

You see those numbers. Despite being 13% of the population, they make up a much higher percentage of crimes.

[DezNutz]

Don't confuse the perpetually offended with facts. They will throw temper tantrums in their basements, binge eat all the food, and their moms will go out to the stores and clear the shelves in a panic.

[Leo]

Ok if you want to believe the numbers that are being fed to you, go ahead, but you should know as I've mentioned before that black people are more likely to be convicted of a certain crime than white people. Even the numbers show that. Just look up conviction rates black vs white and you will see that if you add everything together black people commit about the same amount of crimes as white people. There is a difference between committing a crime and getting convicted for it.

The Wikipedia thing:

While it isn't a super credible source, it usually contains accurate information because they have a very large team of editors that are working 24/7 to find mistakes. I like that you just ignored the 7 other sources that I posted. If I'm not mistaken, a few of you have used Wikipedia in the past as a source, sometime as the ONLY source.

[Meliva]

Do you not realize how you just proved my point for me. . "Just look up conviction rates black vs white and you will see that if you add everything together black people commit about the same amount of crimes as white people."

Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites make up around 80%. If we take you for your word, that they commit about the same amount of crimes, 13% compared to 80% that is a serious bloody problem.

As for dismissing the other 7 sources, when you include a bad or poor source, that hurts the credibility of your entire argument.

As for your claim that the system is discriminating against blacks, then tell me- how and why do black people succeed? In fact,

https://www.theroot.com/the-richest-bla ... 1823557920

Of the 11 richest black people in the world 3 were from America, while the rest from Africa. So, does this mean that the rest of the world if even more unfair to blacks then the US? Or hell, look at Candace Owens. The system is not discriminating and being biased towards folks cause of their skin color. There are a myraid of factors that cause a lot of the problems in black citizens. Lack of father figures, poor education, poor role models, many forms of entertainment glorifying violence and other crimes etc.

Now yes, some folks are racist. Some folks will discriminate on stupid things. However the laws prohibit such things. So if you weren't hired cause you were black, and can prove it, then you have a lawsuit you can win.

[Leo]

Hold on just a minute. When I say they commit the same amount of crimes as white people, I mean proportionally, not numerically.

Black people do succeed often. But wait a minute. 13% of Americans are black, 80% are white, right? If they had equal chances to succeed, then why is 40% of the homeless population African american? If it was equal, wouldn't it be about 13%?

https://endhomelessness.org/resource/ra ... ed-states/

The system itself is not racist, though it doesn't really help that it is majority run by white people. Where the word "systemic" comes into play is that the entire thing, the WHOLE thing, is set up in a way to discriminate. It can be hard to see. That's why its not just one dude being racist, but an entire system that is setup in a way that disadvantages people of color. It's not just "there are some bad people out there, they are the problem". If so, then why does this continue to happen even after a "good" person is put in charge? We would literally have to deconstruct and re-build the system to get rid of the problem.

Fact is, what some call good or perfect sucks for others. No matter how something is, someone isn't going to like it. It could be because of greed, the position it puts them in, or because they truly don't understand it (which is what I'm hearing from you). The war for power between democrats and republicans is endless. One party will get the power for a few years, then the other will grab it. There is no ultimate winner.

If I'm happy, chances are that you won't be, you could say that something is wrong. If you are happy with the way things are, I'm most likely not going to be. I might say that something is wrong. You see? Neither of us is right or wrong, we just want different things, and have different priorities and morals. That's all.

Oh btw what you said about wikipedia only further proved my Pokemon point.

[Meliva]

Use a bad source, and I will call you out on it. Don't like that? Use credible sources. After looking through the other's and talking with some folks, the rest are no better. Also, congrats on literally stealing my joke, why don't you take some effort and come up with your own. Though, seems like your not used to thinking critically.

Again, the problems for the black community are a myriad of things-I listed several, lack of father figures, lack of good role models, nasty messages in many of their media and entertainment, etc. Now how about you list some examples too? I can actually name several systemic things that actually help minorities. We have scholarships, grants and affirmitive action that boosts blacks, though asians are discriminated against.

Also, I can firmly say, that you are most definately in the wrong. ANYONE who would try to justify murder, looting, and all other acts of violence is clearly in the wrong. There are ways to make change peacefully. There are ways to solve issues peacefully. Going around killing folks, then having the disgusting mentality to say it's for a good cause to justify it, is morally wrong.

The fact you can't see that is just sad. I don't condone any killing on any side, I don't condone violence on either side. What some of these folks are doing is vile.

[Leo]

The other sources were also bad? I mean some of them are considered to be extremely credible sources. Some of them are too small to be considered anything. Let me guess: the people you "talked" with share similar opinions to you, right?

Alright, the entire time I've spent in this forum I've been the one talking about what I wanted changed, criticizing the ways things are etc.

Mel, it's your turn. What are some thing that you think need to be fixed? What is the best way to fix it?

[Meliva]

Guess you either can't read, didn't read what I said repeatedly or you have bad memory.

1-Don't force people to do things. People don't like being forced to do anything. Even if it's something they tend to enjoy-if they are forced to do it, that turns even a pleasant experience sour.
Give incentives. Make people WANT to help other's. If you can make it to where by helping other's they also help themselves, then that would drastically increase charity and goodwill. Hell, look at PG's own present voodoo mechanic? You send a voodoo and you get one in return. So there's no reason NOT to send a present. You literally benefit yourself and your friend.

2-Education. We need to make education a lot better. Teach more practical skills, have better security to prevent shootings, better councilors and other staff to monitor student's physical and mental well being, crack down hard on bullying etc.

3-I don't think I mentioned this one before, but legalizing marijuana would be a good thing in my opinion. It's less harmful then tobacco, and legalizing it would really hurt the drug trade, and if sold and taxed, could give a pretty penny which could be used to fund better schools and other improvement's

Now I won't go and brag that this is the best way to fix thing's, though I think I can safely say that they would work out a lot better then your ideas. Also the person I talked to is pretty far from my side. I'm largely a centrist-leaning a little to the right and down.-and he is quite a bit to the left and down to me if I recall correctly.