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[Argo]

as I said the socialist thing you guys should have is free healthcare because most 1st world countries have that like Australia.

Hey Kim, I only have one question for you on that thought... If all this "free" healthcare is so good, why do so many (those with the money) leave Australia, Canada, England Etc to come to the USA when they need treatment then return home?

And trust me, im not saying our healthcare doesn't need help!

Where does it say that? Now I'm not sure about other countries but isn't Australia one of the leading countries in medical discoveries and advancements so I doubt it would be a lot of people.

Kim -Medical Tourism - https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/before ... %20tourism

USA and Asia.



In 2016–17, Australia spent nearly $181 billion on health:

41% by the Australian Government
27% by state and territory governments
17% by individuals (for products and services that aren’t fully subsidised or reimbursed)
9% by private health insurers
6% by non-government organisations
Health spending was about 10% of gross domestic product. This means $1 in every $10 spent in Australia went to health.

The Australian Government usually funds most of the spending for medical services and subsidised medicines. It also funds most of the $5.5 billion spent on health research in Australia in 2016–17.

State and territory governments fund most of the spending for community health services.

The Australian Government and state and territory governments share funding of public hospital services.

https://www.health.gov.au/about-us/the- ... lth-system

[Lachlan]

Our healthcare is the best if you can afford the best. Your's might be better for folks who don't have the money to travel to the US for the best care, Or live closer to australia, but the US is at the top for those who can afford it.

Since you listed a few things you made here's a few from the US.
Artificial heart
Polio Vaccine
Heart Lung Machine.

https://justlists.wordpress.com/2009/08 ... of-origin/

The US has more patents, inventions and other innovations for many fields then most other countries.

probably because you have more inventers and smart people than us because your population is much higher. As for the healthcare I'm saying like average healthcare is much better than yours like average income person getting average healthcare Australia's is better

[Lachlan]

Argo some of those places on that website don't have the best healthcare. It is just cheaper so they go there. Not because it's better

[Meliva]

Argo some of those places on that website don't have the best healthcare. It is just cheaper so they go there. Not because it's better

There are 2 main reasons why someone would go to a foreign place for medical care. Both reasons revolve around money and level of care.

Those who lack money, will often go wherever the treatment is cheapest, as they lack the funds to get a good doctor and proper care. Those are countries like the ones you mentioned

Those with a lot of surplus money, will often go to wherever the treatment is the best-even if it's expensive-like America.

American health and medicine isn't cheap. But it's some of the best in the world for those who can afford the best treatment.

Part of the reason why we have so many inventions and patents isn't just a high population, but capitalism and competition help motivate folks to try to come up with new tech and new ideas.

[Argo]

Argo some of those places on that website don't have the best healthcare. It is just cheaper so they go there. Not because it's better

I thought you were wondering how many people travel os for health care...its about 15k from Australia alone. Medical Tourism is a listed billion dollar industry.
You also mentioned health care here is free - Where do you think the Govt gets the money for it to be 'free'?

btw - I was in a cancer ward in public in hospital. The lady beside me had full cover. She got really mad bc the only thing she had that I didn't was a phone by her bed and a newspaper delivered every morning and her nominated doctors of course- I had the best surgeons the state provides....And I had the window bed with the view!

[Lachlan]

Argo some of those places on that website don't have the best healthcare. It is just cheaper so they go there. Not because it's better

I thought you were wondering how many people travel os for health care...its about 15k from Australia alone. Medical Tourism is a listed billion dollar industry.
You also mentioned health care here is free - Where do you think the Govt gets the money for it to be 'free'?

btw - I was in a cancer ward in public in hospital. The lady beside me had full cover. She got really mad bc the only thing she had that I didn't was a phone by her bed and a newspaper delivered every morning and her nominated doctors of course- I had the best surgeons the state provides....And I had the window bed with the view!

I already said once or twice before I know it's not free but it is much less expensive and probably more effective than American health care. Window bed is also probably not relevant just luck

[Lachlan]

Argo some of those places on that website don't have the best healthcare. It is just cheaper so they go there. Not because it's better

There are 2 main reasons why someone would go to a foreign place for medical care. Both reasons revolve around money and level of care.

Those who lack money, will often go wherever the treatment is cheapest, as they lack the funds to get a good doctor and proper care. Those are countries like the ones you mentioned

Those with a lot of surplus money, will often go to wherever the treatment is the best-even if it's expensive-like America.

American health and medicine isn't cheap. But it's some of the best in the world for those who can afford the best treatment.

Part of the reason why we have so many inventions and patents isn't just a high population, but capitalism and competition help motivate folks to try to come up with new tech and new ideas.

Isn't Australia Capitalist too? The reason why there is more competition is because there is more people to compete with compared to Australia. I don't see what your point about America having the best healthcare if you have tons of money because I'm talking about the average person with average money the average healthcare in Australia is better. Meliva I also said exactly what you said but very simplified

[Meliva]

When you do universal healthcare, it literally can not be capitalist. Most of your government and society might be capitalist, but universal healthcare is not.

Here's a video that does a fairly good job of explaining this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

See his point about how laser eye surgery made a huge leap because it was free market based? There are flaws with our health care system, but universal health care is not the answer.

[Leo]

I agree with Kim. Healthcare is a human right. It is not a privileged, and you should not have to have a certain amount of money to be saved from life-threatening diseases and injuries. Period.

You are right, it is not capitalist, but that doesn't matter. Everyone deserves the right to live, don't you agree? So then why wouldn't they have the right to healthcare, no matter their income? There is a reason that people in poverty die more often then people not in poverty. That reason is that they don't have access to good healthcare, or even healthcare at all. We should end the class bias in healthcare and solve this problem once and for all.

You will probably say that I am being a bit naive, but the reality is actually pretty simple and shouldn't need much thought. People get sick and get injured. Injuries and sickness cost money to resolve. People with little money, can't pay for it, so they end up either dead or with a life-long condition. TO solve this, we equalize the healthcare system, so that everyone can get treated equally, regardless of income.

I don't know why people in the US have to be so selfish and heartless. They say, "why should I pay for my neighbor's healthcare?" But we should be a community, where we look out for each other, not some individual free-for-all where it's everyone for themselves. Yes, you might have to pay a little bit more taxes, but that's OK. Know that by doing so, you could be saving lives. Isn't that worth it?

[Leo]

Well I sure as hell wouldn't be comfortable calling out Trump in any way except anonymously.

Ok, i think i've figure you out blue. There is no way any one person can actually believe EVERY single previously debunked talking point so your either:
1. Nancy Pelosi's man servant and you have been locked in the basement with nothing but Nancy's greatest hits on repeat and a copy of the NYTimes
2. A Russian bot here to sow disinformation to try and get another round of failed laughable impeachment going
3. Your the speech writer for Biden Harris 2020
4. You have never been 10 miles away from your house
5. You have smoked way to much sticky green

Ok blue, which one is it?

Which one?
6. This is actually what I believe, because I'm smart and I am entitled to my own opinion. How is it so hard for you to understand that people can have other opinions without them doing drugs or something? Again, I am amazed all the time by the stupid things that Trump supporters want, so it all evens out.