TRUMP 2020!

[Meliva]

By all means, folks should defend themselves. But going around lighting buildings on fire, buildings that had NOTHING to do with whatever you are upset about isn't defending yourself, that's arson. Those are 2 very different things.

Rioting and destroying things are not a form of defending yourself. It's a form of destruction, and stupid and mindless violence. You can easily make a stand without using violence, MLK and Ghandi both showed it can be done.


Edit-also, how long is it taking those buildings to get rebuilt in your area Blue? Because for every day it takes for them to get rebuilt, is a day where many folks are out of a job, and a place to shop. Which hurts the local community. All because some idiots got upset and decided to make themselves feel better they went out and burned down some buildings.

[Dmanwuzhere]

MLK proved you could make your point and take a stand against injustice without rioting and violence. So anyone who wants to claim that rioting is to get attention is full of it. If folks were to just use their damn brain and think a little, they could find out ways to non-violently change things.

Also, do you not understand just how damaging it can be when idiots burn down big businesses like Target or Walmart, that just because they have money to rebuild it's mostly harmless? Sure they have the money to rebuild fairly easily, but think about this- do you think that those businesses are going to rebuild in the same area that LITERALLY just burned down their building in the first place? Why on earth would they do that, and risk it being burned down again the next time the locals throw a hissy fit? No, anyone with sense would leave that area for a better one. Taking with them jobs, goods, and services, which hurt the community.

I happen to live in the area that this affected and I can tell you that two targets two walmarts and one aldi are ALL REBUILDING in the same location.

MLK is just so easy for white people to like because he talks about love and compassion and all that but Malcom X talked about defending yourself and taking a stand and white people are scared of that.

being the white guy you are i assume you are saying that because it represents what you feel funny how you speak for black and whites alike
i should have expected that being that you are scared of a doctor bill or a student loan

as for the crime of arson vandalism and theft i will laugh when warrants start rolling out and looters get charged
because they comitted those crimes on just as many black businesses as they did chains
it wasnt about floyd it was about greed

[Leo the Conqueror]

MLK proved you could make your point and take a stand against injustice without rioting and violence. So anyone who wants to claim that rioting is to get attention is full of it. If folks were to just use their damn brain and think a little, they could find out ways to non-violently change things.

Also, do you not understand just how damaging it can be when idiots burn down big businesses like Target or Walmart, that just because they have money to rebuild it's mostly harmless? Sure they have the money to rebuild fairly easily, but think about this- do you think that those businesses are going to rebuild in the same area that LITERALLY just burned down their building in the first place? Why on earth would they do that, and risk it being burned down again the next time the locals throw a hissy fit? No, anyone with sense would leave that area for a better one. Taking with them jobs, goods, and services, which hurt the community.

I happen to live in the area that this affected and I can tell you that two targets two walmarts and one aldi are ALL REBUILDING in the same location.

MLK is just so easy for white people to like because he talks about love and compassion and all that but Malcom X talked about defending yourself and taking a stand and white people are scared of that.

being the white guy you are i assume you are saying that because it represents what you feel funny how you speak for black and whites alike
i should have expected that being that you are scared of a doctor bill or a student loan

as for the crime of arson vandalism and theft i will laugh when warrants start rolling out and looters get charged
because they comitted those crimes on just as many black businesses as they did chains
it wasnt about floyd it was about greed

They aren't actively looking to arrest looters right now.

Who knows what it was about? Easy for you to say it was about greed, but how can you know for certain? What we know is that George Floyd was murdered and then there were riots.

[Meliva]

Like with many riots, some folks acted for different reasons. Some were upset about his death and decided to riot. Some saw the riots as a good chance to go and get a new TV, or some other new items in the chaos. Some may have just wanted an excuse to destroy stuff. Some may have wanted to destroy things to make another side look bad.

Ultimately though, they all did the same thing, regardless of the motives. They went and destroyed things that had nothing to do with George Floyd. My respect to the folks who peacefully protested and marched and the like. But to those who went out to destroy, those folks are scum, plain and simple.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Like with many riots, some folks acted for different reasons. Some were upset about his death and decided to riot. Some saw the riots as a good chance to go and get a new TV, or some other new items in the chaos. Some may have just wanted an excuse to destroy stuff. Some may have wanted to destroy things to make another side look bad.

Ultimately though, they all did the same thing, regardless of the motives. They went and destroyed things that had nothing to do with George Floyd. My respect to the folks who peacefully protested and marched and the like. But to those who went out to destroy, those folks are scum, plain and simple.

Ahh, but would peaceful protests get the attention that riots did? Not saying that what the rioters did was right, but I think that the issue needed attention and because of them they got it.

[Leo the Conqueror]

Anyway, let's get back onto the topic of the Commander in Cheeto.

Let's talk about gun control. This is one of my favs because... you'll see

[Meliva]

That kind of logic is easily one of the most horrid things I have heard in a while. People lost jobs, property, possessions and some even DIED, and your thinking is that a peaceful protest wouldn't have gotten the same attention? What the hell is wrong with you that you would think that? What if a loved one of yours died in those riots? Would you still think that at least it got attention?

[Dmanwuzhere]

lol keep reading she made many speeches no context needed

ill give you a taste of her speech entitled my way to peace nah heck with it ill give you the whole thing just bear in mind who would be affected in 1932 by her descriptions and qualifications
she also was invited by the kkk to deliver her brand of speech must be because she was so cool i guess but anyway no context bending here ... enjoy



MY WAY TO PEACE
Margaret Sanger
Science has been applied to the various channels of life's needs especially to our environment. Industry, commerce, education, hygiene, surgery, agriculture, dairy, factory, mining and even war have had the benefits of the best that science could command; but it has not yet been applied to improving the quality of life itself nor to the maintenance of PEACE.

MY WAY TO PEACE would be First, to put into action the fourteen points of President Wilson's, upon which Germany and Austria surrendered to the Allies. Second, to have Congress set up a special department for the study of population problems, and appoint a Parliament of Population Directors representing the various branches of science.

This body to direct and control the population through Birth rates and immigration, and direct its distribution over the country according to national needs consistent with the taste, fitness and interest of the individuals.

The main objects of the Population Congress would be:

(a) to raise the level and increase the general intelligence of our population.

(b) to increase the population slowly by keeping the birth rate at its present level of fifteen, decreasing the death rate below its present mark of 11.

(c) keep the doors of Immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feeble-minded, idiots, morons, insane, syphiletic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred from entrance by the Immigration Laws of 1924.

(d) apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization, and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.

(e) to insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of feeble-minded parents, the government would pension all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.

(f) the whole dysgenic population would have its choice of segregation or sterilization.

(g) there would be farm lands and homesteads where these segregated persons would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.

The first step would thus be to control the intake and output on morons, mental defectives, epileptics.

The second step would be to take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection and segregate on farms and open spaces as long as necessary for the strengthening and development of moral conduct.

Having coralled this enormous part of our population and placed it on a basis of health not punishment, it is safe to say that about fifteen or twenty millions of our population would then be organized into soldiers of defense–defending the unborn against their own disabilities.

The third step would be to give special attention to the mothers' health, to see that women who are suffering from tuberculosis, heart or kidney disease, toxis goitre, gonorrhea, or any disease where the condition of pregnancy disturbs her health; place these mothers under public health nurses to instruct them in practical scientific methods of contraception in order to safeguard their lives–thus reducing maternal mortality.

There would be a careful follow-up in the homes where infants have died, to ascertain the causes and to prevent when possible the further increase of children until the causes have been removed–reducing infant mortality.

While the above steps seem to be emphasis on a health program instead of on tariffs, moratoriums and debts, I believe that national health is the first essential factor in any program for universal peace.

With the future citizens safeguarded from hereditary taints, with five million mental and moral degenerates segregated, with ten million women and ten million children receiving adequate attention, we could then turn our attention to the basic needs for international peace.

There would then be a definite inexorable ruling that the population should increase slowly at a specified rate, in order to accommodate and adjust the increasing numbers to our social and economic system.

The Birth Rate in the United States in 1931 was 15.0 and the death rate about 11, which allowed for a survival rate of 4%, or an increase in the population, including immigration, of over 20%.

Immigration: Open the gates of the U.S.A. to those countries whose inhabitants have the inherent talents and national characteristics desirable, eliminating entirely those countries whose subjects have already been difficult to assimilate.

This plan to be in operation for ten years. In the meantime we shall organize and join an International League of Low Birth Rate Nations to secure and maintain WORLD PEACE.

[Leo the Conqueror]

That kind of logic is easily one of the most horrid things I have heard in a while. People lost jobs, property, possessions and some even DIED, and your thinking is that a peaceful protest wouldn't have gotten the same attention? What the hell is wrong with you that you would think that? What if a loved one of yours died in those riots? Would you still think that at least it got attention?

What did I just say? I don't think that the riots are right! I'm just pointing out that the riots are a necessary part of this country's healing. And no one died at the riots in my city, except for police shooting PEACEFUL PROTESTERS in the eyes with rubber bullets and killing them.

So back to the topic of the thread. I belive that Trump is racist. Here are some examples:
he publicly called Obama "tan"
he put a travel ban in place that blocked people from 9 predominantly Muslim countries from entering the sates, his only defense was "they're terrorists"
he said that 4 congresswomen of color should "go back to where they came from" when they challenged him. Interesting because his entire 2016 complain was based on complaining about and challenging Obama, not to mention that the ability to to challenge an opponent politically without prosecution is what makes this country what it is

I could go on and on but I want to hear what others have to say

[Meliva]

Mate, when you go and say "not saying X" then follow it with a but, that to me says all I need to know about your character.

Imagine this- you meet a man who says the following. "I'm not saying blacks and whites shouldn't marry, BUT wouldnt want my kids to marry another color."

The very fact that it even crossed your mind that the riots brought more attention then peaceful protests would is a horrid thought to have, even if you do disagree with the riots.

And no, riots are not a necessary part of the country's healing. It's been proven in the past that peaceful non-violent acts can make change. So you can get our of here with that BS that the riots are a necessary evil.